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@HNTI on post #3096679 (hamakaze (kantai collection) drawn by nironiro)

2018-04-23T06:35:17-04:00

Mikaeri said:

Amen.

I don't contribute much anymore, but users like that (the ones who are sly about their oh so great 'contributions') are the reason why this change was generally for the better, aside from the 'filler' or tangentially related tagging which some regular users have poked me about (me being part of the reason this change happened).

I did propose in the past that we remove any sort of "attribution" entirely (posts are just posts), but given a lot of users felt cautious about that (on the grounds it would remove any reason for due diligence), I let it go. For now, this is okay. I still have my complaints, but it's bearable.

In regards to comment #1811540, pretty much. It doesn't solve the problem of 1ups until we introduce a system of versioning :P (I'm working on something else regarding that).

But of course you will always find time to create a negative record to shit on a user who has different opinion, right ? Record system is a joke here, easy to get a neg and even if somebody uploads/tags for years it overlooked. I don't need mercy record entries, just saying what's my experience so far.

@Mikaeri on post #3096679 (hamakaze (kantai collection) drawn by nironiro)

2018-04-23T01:32:23-04:00

eeec said:

I've been in the work force for a long time and all I can say is that my fellow employees don't care who finishes first or who gets the most recognition. The only thing that matters is actually getting the job done. Complaining and arguing against each other just makes the job not only harder for yourself but for everyone else around you as well.

I've been to voluntary work as well (mostly homeless shelters). I'm not in it for the money but for the overall satisfaction in the end. I help not because I want publicity, but because I want to be a kind person in general. A million people have done random acts of kindness once in a while that go unnoticed often and it does seem unfair, but unfortunately that is just part of life.

Amen.

I don't contribute much anymore, but users like that (the ones who are sly about their oh so great 'contributions') are the reason why this change was generally for the better, aside from the 'filler' or tangentially related tagging which some regular users have poked me about (me being part of the reason this change happened).

I did propose in the past that we remove any sort of "attribution" entirely (posts are just posts), but given a lot of users felt cautious about that (on the grounds it would remove any reason for due diligence), I let it go. For now, this is okay. I still have my complaints, but it's bearable.

In regards to comment #1811540, pretty much. It doesn't solve the problem of 1ups until we introduce a system of versioning :P (I'm working on something else regarding that).

@keonas on post #3096679 (hamakaze (kantai collection) drawn by nironiro)

2018-04-22T16:18:15-04:00

Provence said:

@keonas
Try Shift+E n the upload page.

why thanks, it's pretty clunky but, pretty much solves my main complaint.

carry on then.

@eeec on post #3096679 (hamakaze (kantai collection) drawn by nironiro)

2018-04-22T14:53:49-04:00

HNTI said:

In real job you get paid, here not. I see your point, but it's like comparing apples with oranges.

I've been to voluntary work as well (mostly homeless shelters). I'm not in it for the money but for the overall satisfaction in the end. I help not because I want publicity, but because I want to be a kind person in general. A million people have done random acts of kindness once in a while that go unnoticed often and it does seem unfair, but unfortunately that is just part of life.

@OOZ662 on post #3096679 (hamakaze (kantai collection) drawn by nironiro)

2018-04-22T14:34:08-04:00

Your impression is pretty close to correct. Uploading a post and having nobody see it after it slips off the front page is pointless. Taggers prevent that.

@HNTI on post #3096679 (hamakaze (kantai collection) drawn by nironiro)

2018-04-22T14:24:43-04:00

OOZ662 said:

I'll just quote myself here since fewer users visit the forum:

Users have been getting away with ignoring tags to upload posts first for far too long, and that impacts the usuability of the site both in terms of people racing to snipe each other and posts getting left behind with very few tags never to be seen again. Now, if someone else does your job for you, they get credit; seems fair to me.

My issue here is why we got rid of uploader credits ? Why we can't have two fields one for uploader and one for tagger ? Both parties will be happy in that way not being skipped on an art site. I get an impression that you put taggers on pedestal, above anything else.

@HNTI on post #3096679 (hamakaze (kantai collection) drawn by nironiro)

2018-04-22T14:22:14-04:00

eeec said:

I've been in the work force for a long time and all I can say is that my fellow employees don't care who finishes first or who gets the most recognition. The only thing that matters is actually getting the job done. Complaining and arguing against each other just makes the job not only harder for yourself but for everyone else around you as well.

In real job you get paid, here not. I see your point, but it's like comparing apples with oranges.

@user_525419 on post #3096679 (hamakaze (kantai collection) drawn by nironiro)

2018-04-22T13:57:06-04:00

keonas said:

My personal way of doing it and argument against your logic, is that tagging everything from an image in the upload screen is a miserable experience.
You have to scroll up and down several times to get everything in the picture and waste so much time.
So i just prefer to tag the 5-15 tags that i first notice and cover everything else in the image page. This way you're done within 1 minute.

This isn't to be the 1st person to post mind you.
I intentionally hold off from posting images for 1 day - 1 week since they get posted on pixiv/twitter because i don't want to be in that pointless rat race anymore.

@keonas
Try Shift+E n the upload page.

@eeec on post #3096679 (hamakaze (kantai collection) drawn by nironiro)

2018-04-22T13:56:27-04:00

I've been in the work force for a long time and all I can say is that my fellow employees don't care who finishes first or who gets the most recognition. The only thing that matters is actually getting the job done. Complaining and arguing against each other just makes the job not only harder for yourself but for everyone else around you as well.

@keonas on post #3096679 (hamakaze (kantai collection) drawn by nironiro)

2018-04-22T13:33:49-04:00

My personal way of doing it and argument against your logic, is that tagging everything from an image in the upload screen is a miserable experience.
You have to scroll up and down several times to get everything in the picture and waste so much time.
So i just prefer to tag the 5-15 tags that i first notice and cover everything else in the image page. This way you're done within 1 minute.

This isn't to be the 1st person to post mind you.
I intentionally hold off from posting images for 1 day - 1 week since they get posted on pixiv/twitter because i don't want to be in that pointless rat race anymore.

@OOZ662 on post #3096679 (hamakaze (kantai collection) drawn by nironiro)

2018-04-22T12:40:00-04:00

I'll just quote myself here since fewer users visit the forum:

OOZ662 said:

I suppose it could be considered a technical issue if it weren't working as intended. If you want to keep your name on your uploads, tag them. If someone snipes "your" upload by not tagging it properly, steal the nameplate. That's all there is to it, and saying it promotes "no-lifers" is completely contrary unless you're worried they type faster, I guess.

Users have been getting away with ignoring tags to upload posts first for far too long, and that impacts the usuability of the site both in terms of people racing to snipe each other and posts getting left behind with very few tags never to be seen again. Now, if someone else does your job for you, they get credit; seems fair to me.

@HNTI on post #3096679 (hamakaze (kantai collection) drawn by nironiro)

2018-04-22T11:41:20-04:00

keonas said:

Well, the big prize in this race is the pixiv image, so i guess you both lost :D

at least until we implement revisions to posts.

Well, it least he lost to high quality uploader :). Fine by me as long as it's not Provence.

@user_525419 on post #3096679 (hamakaze (kantai collection) drawn by nironiro)

2018-04-22T11:35:30-04:00

keonas said:

Well, the big prize in this race is the pixiv image, so i guess you both lost :D

at least until we implement revisions to posts.

Not really since its about tagging accuracy and not who got the post, eventually. At least for me.

@keonas on post #3096679 (hamakaze (kantai collection) drawn by nironiro)

2018-04-22T11:32:26-04:00

Well, the big prize in this race is the pixiv image, so i guess you both lost :D

at least until we implement revisions to posts.

@AngryZapdos on post #3096679 (hamakaze (kantai collection) drawn by nironiro)

2018-04-22T10:28:50-04:00

I really like her hair

@HNTI on post #3096679 (hamakaze (kantai collection) drawn by nironiro)

2018-04-22T10:15:26-04:00

Provence said:

This post is a prime example how this system sould be used.
Tag the upload to a certain extend and you're fine. Don't tag it and you run the risk to get tag sniped.

No, both uploader and top tagger should be credited. You only say that as it's convenient for you. Public opinion manipulation 101 + you have high ground with down voting posts showing you in bad light.

@user_525419 on post #3096679 (hamakaze (kantai collection) drawn by nironiro)

2018-04-22T10:01:03-04:00

HNTI said:

This current system is faulty.

This post is a prime example how this system sould be used.
Tag the upload to a certain extend and you're fine. Don't tag it and you run the risk to get tag sniped.

@HNTI on post #3096679 (hamakaze (kantai collection) drawn by nironiro)

2018-04-22T09:55:07-04:00

keonas said:

You guys still in that rat race?

Gees.

This current system is faulty.

@keonas on post #3096679 (hamakaze (kantai collection) drawn by nironiro)

2018-04-22T09:54:20-04:00

You guys still in that rat race?

Gees.

@HNTI on post #3096679 (hamakaze (kantai collection) drawn by nironiro)

2018-04-22T09:51:31-04:00

@Provence That's rich coming from such passive-aggressive user like you who tries to one-up me. Of course it's very convenient from your perspective to back-up your point of view with "actually fit" argument as it aligns with your interest.