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@Wilen on post #3834723 (baltimore and baltimore (azur lane) drawn by feng_ze)

2020-03-28T21:01:09-04:00

Everyone is gay

@Sigfried666 on post #3834723 (baltimore and baltimore (azur lane) drawn by feng_ze)

2020-03-26T12:40:38-04:00

Elmithian said:
Edit. Plus, doesn't Z46 have literal permanent "tattoos/markings" on her skin? There was no uproar about her if memory serves.

From what I can understand, it's like this...
Z46 had tattoos since her debut. It was a part of her character from the get got, so people accepted it without to much fuss. It's how she is, and all that.
But Baltimore didn't have tattoos before. Not in her default skin nor in her schoolgirl skin.
So maybe, I can't say for sure, some people got bothered and even offended that suddenly, without any apparent reason, their waifu turned into a stereotypical "slut".

That seems to carry too much projection, like, the people had to be "enamorated" with Baltimore's design AND had to have a prejudice against tattoos.
So, don't take my word for it, it's just how I interpret the reasoning.

@Elmithian on post #3834723 (baltimore and baltimore (azur lane) drawn by feng_ze)

2020-03-26T11:23:09-04:00

Mithiwithi said:

More to the point, the sailors aboard WW2-era US ships quite often had their fair share of tattoos. I have my doubts that the flower tattoos this girl is sporting would've been typical, so this image may not be a good example, but it would make a lot of sense for an Eagle Union girl to have sailor tattoos.

I personally won't get myself a tattoo due to knowing that due to my impulses I will pick something A) Will regret and B) won't look that good on me when I am wrinkly old bugger. I won't stop others though. Hell, one of my best friends recently got himself a Norse themed tattoo which looks pretty good on him.

But for someone like a shipgirl that apparently don't grow or seemingly age the same way (if we go by the official "slow ahead" manga) as we do, I think it would likely not be a bad idea, as either the tattoo is going to last forever without much degradation or it will last super short as their cells remove and clean more effectively than ours.

Either way, it is win-win for them since their appearance won't change (though if they want to get it removed and their cells don't work extremely effectively, then it is going to be major pain).

Edit. Plus, doesn't Z46 have literal permanent "tattoos/markings" on her skin? There was no uproar about her if memory serves.

@blindVigil on post #3834723 (baltimore and baltimore (azur lane) drawn by feng_ze)

2020-03-26T11:15:06-04:00

Guardian54 said:

Temporary tattoos are mostly treated as just another flavour of body paint or cosmetics i.e. whatever m8. However, many people hold this opinion on permanent tattoos:

1. If it's to commemorate a major event such as a wartime campaign, it's a badge of honour and should be seen as such... Unless you are faking it, in which case STOLEN VALOUR REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

2. "Because it made me feel prettier" or "because I felt like it" is "Huh, so you had enough body image neuroticism that you decided to do a (near) permanent bodily modification because your emotions could not be quelled otherwise." i.e. black flags.
The Tenth Commandment of World of Tanks sayeth "If thy rage cannot be contained, and thy lamentations ariseth with much profanity, perhaps the time to stop is nigh upon you." In this case, it's "if thy obsession with body image cannot be contained, and thy lamentations ariseth with much permanent bodily modification, perhaps the time to stop is nigh upon you." i.e. consult a doctor.

Baltimore, as a shipgirl, falls firmly in category 1.

Okay, I think you're seriously overblowing the significance of tattoos for the sake aesthetics. Tattoos are not a sign of mental instability, and I certainly wouldn't put them on the same level as things like cosmetic plastic surgery. They don't need to be culturally significant or for the sake of commemoration to be justified.

@Mithiwithi on post #3834723 (baltimore and baltimore (azur lane) drawn by feng_ze)

2020-03-26T10:55:17-04:00

Keo said:

But tattoo are usually used as a sign of cool or badassness too. If anything, I believe that it is very appropriate that personification of warships HAVE tattoos, similar to how you have paintings and grafting on the side of many warships/warplanes. I’m actually more surprise more artist don’t do such depictions.

I think this is especially a brilliant idea for western ships since when you think of American or Western ships, you have a thought of how awesome they are.

More to the point, the sailors aboard WW2-era US ships quite often had their fair share of tattoos. I have my doubts that the flower tattoos this girl is sporting would've been typical, so this image may not be a good example, but it would make a lot of sense for an Eagle Union girl to have sailor tattoos.

@Guardian54 on post #3834723 (baltimore and baltimore (azur lane) drawn by feng_ze)

2020-03-26T10:32:44-04:00

Temporary tattoos are mostly treated as just another flavour of body paint or cosmetics i.e. whatever m8. However, many people hold this opinion on permanent tattoos:

1. If it's to commemorate a major event such as a wartime campaign, it's a badge of honour and should be seen as such... Unless you are faking it, in which case STOLEN VALOUR REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

2. "Because it made me feel prettier" or "because I felt like it" is "Huh, so you had enough body image neuroticism that you decided to do a (near) permanent bodily modification because your emotions could not be quelled otherwise." i.e. black flags.
The Tenth Commandment of World of Tanks sayeth "If thy rage cannot be contained, and thy lamentations ariseth with much profanity, perhaps the time to stop is nigh upon you." In this case, it's "if thy obsession with body image cannot be contained, and thy lamentations ariseth with much permanent bodily modification, perhaps the time to stop is nigh upon you." i.e. consult a doctor.

Baltimore, as a shipgirl, falls firmly in category 1.

@Keo on post #3834723 (baltimore and baltimore (azur lane) drawn by feng_ze)

2020-03-26T01:43:50-04:00

Tetsamaru said:

what about cultures that get "markings"? Those are tattoos? Many Indian cultulres have those cool ass shit on their armos and back all the time. When i say Indian, i mean India/Iran and such. Not the American Indians.

Here in Thailand, we have a lot of that too. Its part of our culture.

Well, technically yes. Those "markings" would be general considered tattoos, no? It isn't really that strange since tattoos have been common place for thousands of years and have many cultural significance.

But the thing is that in the more Western countries, tattoos are general not liken due to Christian culture because to graft or temper with the flesh is consider a taboo. Also, tattoos were consider a mark of stigma, mostly to be placed on those that should be shunned by the said community. It doesn't help that generally the people you see portrayed as "bad" people are usually those with tattoos as well.

I also think that it also generally depend on the said tattoos too. Many cultures that I see with markings are pretty distinct and isn't something like the ones you usually see people wear that are more cosmetics.

It's just how some of the societies are. I think if the tattoos are suppose to be more cultural than cosmetic (i.e markings for like Buddhist and whatnot) it isn't really looked at with as much distaste as an entire dragon fighting a tiger sprawled across your entire back like you would see on a Yakuza member's.

@Tetsamaru on post #3834723 (baltimore and baltimore (azur lane) drawn by feng_ze)

2020-03-25T22:30:53-04:00

persocom01 said:

even in western countries, tattoos are looked upon by social conservatives as a mark of a rebel or damaged individual. It is a sign that someone lacks impulse control, doesn't possess christian values or just generally as a sign of disdain for social order. Of course, the more liberal a society is, the more accepting people are of such things. You're likely to find people more accepting of tattoos in big cities than in small towns.

what about cultures that get "markings"? Those are tattoos? Many Indian cultulres have those cool ass shit on their armos and back all the time. When i say Indian, i mean India/Iran and such. Not the American Indians.

Here in Thailand, we have a lot of that too. Its part of our culture.

@Sigfried666 on post #3834723 (baltimore and baltimore (azur lane) drawn by feng_ze)

2020-03-25T21:46:17-04:00

persocom01 said:

so she practically has the type of tattoo that smudges when she works up a sweat. Why.

Maybe she's afraid of needles?
I know I'm never getting a tattoo mostly because the process scares me.

@persocom01 on post #3834723 (baltimore and baltimore (azur lane) drawn by feng_ze)

2020-03-25T21:33:54-04:00

Wilfriback said:

According to the description Brementon told Baltimore to use tattoo that are removable with water.

so she practically has the type of tattoo that smudges when she works up a sweat. Why.

@Keo on post #3834723 (baltimore and baltimore (azur lane) drawn by feng_ze)

2020-03-25T21:30:18-04:00

Sigfried666 said:

Well, there was a recent (maybe not that recent) study among japanese men on wether they would have a relationship with tattoed women, and it was extremely negative.
If such mentality is predominant in all eastern markets, it kinda makes sense they usually avoid said element in character creation.

Japan is quite a conservative country so it make sense. It really don’t help that yeah, most those with tattoos are more associated with crime. Old time stigmas does suck, despite back then everybody had tattoos.

It is a shame, cause I really do think Shipgirls/Planegirls/Gungirls with tattoo is quite ingenious and on par with historical representation of said personification. I know I love seeing sigils and cosmetic markings on my war vehicles and weapons whenever I play actual war games. I would love it if this was more a thing.

And I believe that said element might be more bias against females. Many beloved character in the anime market that are consider awesome badasses are usually males.

Kamina, Archer, and literally anyone in Wuxia films. I guess in most people’s eyes, they do perfer females to be more...errr... conservative design and not usually like to be seen as badass. It’s a shame, but I’ll take what I can get as of now.

@persocom01 on post #3834723 (baltimore and baltimore (azur lane) drawn by feng_ze)

2020-03-25T21:26:58-04:00

Tetsamaru said:

There is a very big bias about Tattoos between Japanese vs American. You pretty much CANT have a tattoo in japan at all unless you're a downright criminal. At least thats the public perception of it.

America is MUCH MORE LAX. Anyone can get a Tattoo in America and they will be amongst the nicest people you will ever meet.

Working in retail and convention halls, My bosses and co-workers have almost all had dye'd hair and tattoos. no criminal activity and the nicest people in the world.

My 2nd boss had a Dragon Tattoo on her arm. Mother of 4, one of her kids a straight A Student. Is she smoking pot or selling drugs? Nope, she just got it cause she thought it was cool. Actually now that i think about, in Recent years, i think half of my co-workers have all had tattoos.

But in Japan, there is still the Stigma that only Yakuza have it.

even in western countries, tattoos are looked upon by social conservatives as a mark of a rebel or damaged individual. It is a sign that someone lacks impulse control, doesn't possess christian values or just generally as a sign of disdain for social order. Of course, the more liberal a society is, the more accepting people are of such things. You're likely to find people more accepting of tattoos in big cities than in small towns.

@Tetsamaru on post #3834723 (baltimore and baltimore (azur lane) drawn by feng_ze)

2020-03-25T20:37:55-04:00

There is a very big bias about Tattoos between Japanese vs American. You pretty much CANT have a tattoo in japan at all unless you're a downright criminal. At least thats the public perception of it.

America is MUCH MORE LAX. Anyone can get a Tattoo in America and they will be amongst the nicest people you will ever meet.

Working in retail and convention halls, My bosses and co-workers have almost all had dye'd hair and tattoos. no criminal activity and the nicest people in the world.

My 2nd boss had a Dragon Tattoo on her arm. Mother of 4, one of her kids a straight A Student. Is she smoking pot or selling drugs? Nope, she just got it cause she thought it was cool. Actually now that i think about, in Recent years, i think half of my co-workers have all had tattoos.

But in Japan, there is still the Stigma that only Yakuza have it.

@Sigfried666 on post #3834723 (baltimore and baltimore (azur lane) drawn by feng_ze)

2020-03-25T20:27:55-04:00

Keo said:
I understand there might be prejudice though, since in more Eastern countries it’s looked down upon since it is usually associated with gangs and yakuzas but... Yakuzas are kinda cool too. I also understand that when it comes to females, tattoos are not as in but it’s still pretty kickass of a idea.

Well, there was a recent (maybe not that recent) study among japanese men on wether they would have a relationship with tattoed women, and it was extremely negative.
If such mentality is predominant in all eastern markets, it kinda makes sense they usually avoid said element in character creation.

@Keo on post #3834723 (baltimore and baltimore (azur lane) drawn by feng_ze)

2020-03-25T20:08:42-04:00

Random_Fanguy said:

I'm just saying they'd be a little more fitting on a delinquent or troublemaker type character is all.

But tattoo are usually used as a sign of cool or badassness too. If anything, I believe that it is very appropriate that personification of warships HAVE tattoos, similar to how you have paintings and grafting on the side of many warships/warplanes. I’m actually more surprise more artist don’t do such depictions.

I think this is especially a brilliant idea for western ships since when you think of American or Western ships, you have a thought of how awesome they are.

I understand there might be prejudice though, since in more Eastern countries it’s looked down upon since it is usually associated with gangs and yakuzas but... Yakuzas are kinda cool too. I also understand that when it comes to females, tattoos are not as in but it’s still pretty kickass of a idea.

@Random_Fanguy on post #3834723 (baltimore and baltimore (azur lane) drawn by feng_ze)

2020-03-25T18:52:12-04:00

blindVigil said:

Tattoos hardly mean someone is undependable or untrustworthy. It's just body art, humans have been doing it for thousands of years, for all kinds of reasons both cultural and personal. Non-permanent tattoos especially are harmless fun at most.

I'm just saying they'd be a little more fitting on a delinquent or troublemaker type character is all.

@blindVigil on post #3834723 (baltimore and baltimore (azur lane) drawn by feng_ze)

2020-03-25T18:19:40-04:00

Random_Fanguy said:

Not exactly a bad influence I'd say but they don't exactly fit her dependable big sister image.

Tattoos hardly mean someone is undependable or untrustworthy. It's just body art, humans have been doing it for thousands of years, for all kinds of reasons both cultural and personal. Non-permanent tattoos especially are harmless fun at most.

Sigfried666 said:

I'm actually appalled by the amount of people on the western market that are voicing how offensive it is to place tatoos on Baltimore and how it turns her into a whore...

Heck, with this here tatoo debacle and Marblehead's gyaru debacle, I see there is a very intense prejudice against gyarus in this western AL server...

As with anything else, it's most likely just a very vocal, very toxic minority that looks for every possible reason, no matter how trivial or even nonexistent, to throw a fit.

@Sigfried666 on post #3834723 (baltimore and baltimore (azur lane) drawn by feng_ze)

2020-03-25T12:46:17-04:00

blindVigil said:

How are water soluble tattoos a bad influence?

I'm just kidding. The tatoos look good.

I'm actually appalled by the amount of people on the western market that are voicing how offensive it is to place tatoos on Baltimore and how it turns her into a whore...

I'd like to retract my joke, I'm not a part of said group.

Heck, with this here tatoo debacle and Marblehead's gyaru debacle, I see there is a very intense prejudice against gyarus in this western AL server...

@Random_Fanguy on post #3834723 (baltimore and baltimore (azur lane) drawn by feng_ze)

2020-03-25T10:03:55-04:00

blindVigil said:

How are water soluble tattoos a bad influence?

Not exactly a bad influence I'd say but they don't exactly fit her dependable big sister image.

@blindVigil on post #3834723 (baltimore and baltimore (azur lane) drawn by feng_ze)

2020-03-25T09:33:50-04:00

Sigfried666 said:

Brementon barely arrived and she's already a bad influence...

How are water soluble tattoos a bad influence?