Tag alias: special_feeling_(meme) -> special_feeling

@葉月: > S1eth said: > > so... what if we used...

2014-05-06T15:31:22-04:00

S1eth said:

so... what if we used tokubetsu na kibun?

That'd be entirely cromulent. AFAIK we don't have a consistent policy on always prefering English or Japanese in case of memes, so that's not a departure. I really just want to know special_feeling was so, well, special that it got _(meme), making it one of a kind. I'm fine with any policy, as long as I can comprehend it.

@葉月: > Toks said: > > I can't speak for jxh, but...

2014-05-06T15:27:40-04:00

Toks said:

I can't speak for jxh, but I'd like to point out that trap and otoko_no_ko are both equally ambiguous, meaning it's not that similar to this case where only one is potentially ambiguous.

"Trap" is very well-established in the English-speaking world though. And "otoko_no_ko" is much worse, because it actively confuses people with an understanding of Japanese. The problem is that jxh deemed ambiguity to be a "minimal concern" in that one (ambiguity that I personally think is completely damning), yet somehow decided that the ambiguity in this case warrants singling it out compared to every single other meme tag we have. I don't have a problem with jxh making a call in a tough case, I have a problem with jxh making a call in an easy case which I cannot at all comprehend and which is prima facie inconsistent with all we have.

@S1eth: so... what if we used tokubetsu na kibun?

2014-05-06T12:19:39-04:00

so... what if we used tokubetsu na kibun?

@Toks: > 葉月 said: > > That said, I'd really like to...

2014-05-06T11:26:44-04:00

葉月 said:

That said, I'd really like to see jxh2154 explain the discrepancy. I see two very similar cases with exact opposite decisions in the span of a month. That is confusing and not something that leads to a clear, high-quality policy that's easy to follow.

I can't speak for jxh, but I'd like to point out that trap and otoko_no_ko are both equally ambiguous, meaning it's not that similar to this case where only one is potentially ambiguous.

@葉月: Unlocked by request. I'd like y'all to calm...

2014-05-06T10:14:03-04:00

Unlocked by request. I'd like y'all to calm down, though. Nobody called jxh a hypocrite, and namecalling on either side is not constructive.

That said, I'd really like to see jxh2154 explain the discrepancy. I see two very similar cases with exact opposite decisions in the span of a month. That is confusing and not something that leads to a clear, high-quality policy that's easy to follow.

@Log: I'm sorry that the ruling was not in your favor...

2014-05-05T01:10:11-04:00

I'm sorry that the ruling was not in your favor but that was no reason to bump this thread in which a decision was already rendered. If jxh wishes to reverse his decision he can do so without being told he he's a hypocrite. I'm locking this thread.

@richie: Just a judgment of jxh2154 in a very similar...

2014-05-04T16:45:20-04:00

Just a judgment of jxh2154 in a very similar case at topic #10521 adapted to the one considered in this topic:

"Ambiguity is a minimal concern, considering the benefit of keeping consistency to the possible extent and that we'd have no reason to use "special feeling" as a tag for any other purpose. Confused users can read the wiki, like they do for any of the bajillion not-instantly-intuitive tags on this site."

original post at forum #96735

@Saladofstones: > S1eth said: > > I'm not sure what you're...

2014-04-03T20:59:42-04:00

S1eth said:

I'm not sure what you're talking about.
Danbooru shouldn't have any "internal" memes.
Whether something is a tag or pool needs to be decided on a case by case basis, and we've made an effort converting many of those pools into tags when it was deemed sensible.

We have heresy still, as far as I know.

@葉月: > jxh2154 said: > > Qualifier stays. In six...

2014-04-03T20:08:14-04:00

jxh2154 said:

Qualifier stays. In six months, nobody will remember the 'special feeling' meme, and the qualifier will serve a nice immediate visual reference when scanning a tag list. There's no benefit to the user in removing it, so I agree with Toks, Logs, and other arguments in favor of keeping it.

Whether other meme tags would be best served with a qualifier or not is a legitimate topic of discussion but does not prevent us from reaching a decision on this tag.

This is silly. Either we reach consensus for the general policy to include qualifiers, and then apply the rule consistently, or we adopt what has been a de facto policy of not qualifying memes unless an obvious clash occurs, as evidenced by every single tag other than this one. Consistency to the extent possible has always been danbooru's policy(*), and we have taken many initially unpopular decisions as well as wholesale changes to implement it -- to name Japanese name order and original language titles as the most obvious examples. Singling out one tag for no reason and making it different from all other tags we have stands in contradiction to just about every other decision we have made and you in particular have made.

(*) Well, ever since it stopped being albert's private porn dump.

@S1eth: I'm not sure what you're talking about. ...

2014-04-03T19:59:38-04:00

I'm not sure what you're talking about.
Danbooru shouldn't have any "internal" memes.
Whether something is a tag or pool needs to be decided on a case by case basis, and we've made an effort converting many of those pools into tags when it was deemed sensible.

@Saladofstones: You have memes related to what the artist...

2014-04-03T19:18:41-04:00

You have memes related to what the artist posts, and memes from the danbooru community that are added in the tags.

The former is objective, since its something being intentionally referenced in the post, the latter are memes being applied to it.

Really the point is that images that contain memes such as special_feeling should have the meme qualifer, memes that are external (applying gentleman to images with a character with a lot of items in their mouth) should be pools.

@jxh2154: Qualifier stays. In six months, nobody will...

2014-04-03T18:38:32-04:00

Qualifier stays. In six months, nobody will remember the 'special feeling' meme, and the qualifier will serve a nice immediate visual reference when scanning a tag list. There's no benefit to the user in removing it, so I agree with Toks, Logs, and other arguments in favor of keeping it.

Whether other meme tags would be best served with a qualifier or not is a legitimate topic of discussion but does not prevent us from reaching a decision on this tag.

@richie: @Saladofstones - you've lost me. I understand...

2014-04-03T09:46:58-04:00

@Saladofstones - you've lost me.
I understand your words but I don't understand your post.
Could you point it clearer which part of your statements are related to which cases/examples. Thanks.

@Saladofstones: Personally, I think a qualifer would be fine. ...

2014-04-02T18:07:12-04:00

Personally, I think a qualifer would be fine.

As it is, you do have heresy which is a meme, and you have had memes used for otherwise objective tags.

Adding a meme qualifier is a simple step to separate actual memes, within the picture, and external memes being applied (gentlemen comes to mind).

For the former, I don't think its taggable (otherwise you invite people tagging memes in about everything, or stupid stuff), maybe there can be pools for memes that the picture isn't intentionally referencing and pools for other memes.

Log said:
I quit, you win. Congratulations. I'm taking a month from the forums to decide if I'm going to bother letting this shit stress me out any more.

Ain't gonna tell you to not rage, but the forums are here to solve these kinds of issues. If it seems like a member, or group of members, is being excessively disruptive there are ways to handle it without having to get sick of the entire forum.

And there are these kind if rage-inducing issues.

@Toks: > richie said: > > Two words you're looking...

2014-04-02T16:41:42-04:00

richie said:

Two words you're looking for: tagging consistency.
On the other hand, I'm still waiting to hear a valid argument for adding it.
And no, "my prophecy skills are better than yours" or "I'm too lazy to check and learn meaning of tags I don't understand" don't count.

"My OCD acts up when I see inconsistent tags" isn't a real argument either so there's no reason to even care if it has a qualifier.

@Log: I quit, you win. Congratulations. I'm taking a...

2014-04-02T16:18:30-04:00

I quit, you win. Congratulations. I'm taking a month from the forums to decide if I'm going to bother letting this shit stress me out any more.

@richie: > Log said: > > There is nothing on danbooru...

2014-04-02T16:14:54-04:00

Log said:

There is nothing on danbooru with universal consistency so "my non-argument is better than your non-argument" is what you're saying.

Really? Then you want to tell us, that "B-b-but none of the other memes are qualified!!" is result of pure coincidence?
And not only memes, I have strange impression that there is definitely much less qualified tags than unqualified.

If this is random as you claim, then shouldn't it be somehow... a little bit closer to 50%/50%?

@Log: There is nothing on danbooru with universal...

2014-04-02T12:23:32-04:00

There is nothing on danbooru with universal consistency so "my non-argument is better than your non-argument" is what you're saying.

@richie: I must admit I've always thought that grinding...

2014-04-02T10:12:50-04:00

I must admit I've always thought that grinding means an act of work using a grinder.
Plus why are you making me guess what the hell is hanfu?
And how about cqc - is this an alternative acronym for WTF?

Admittedly it's true that:

Toks said:

reading the wiki would tell you what it's for but it's still nice when it's obvious from the name alone.

Therefore, oh well:

create alias grinding -> grinding_(sex_act)
create alias hanfu -> hanfu_(clothes)
create alias cqc -> cqc_(combat_technique)

Please bear in mind, that these simple examples are only tip of the iceberg of further proposals argumented as "soundly" as an existence of qualifier for special_feeling.

Log said:

Not one of you has posted a single advantage to removing it.

Two words you're looking for: tagging consistency.
On the other hand, I'm still waiting to hear a valid argument for adding it.
And no, "my prophecy skills are better than yours" or "I'm too lazy to check and learn meaning of tags I don't understand" don't count.

@Log: Not one of you has posted a single advantage to...

2014-04-02T01:38:38-04:00

Not one of you has posted a single advantage to removing it. "B-b-but none of the other memes are qualified!!" is just posting an observation.

S1eth said:

We usually don't use "for consistency's sake" as an argument to qualify ALL characters from a franchise just because many of them needed the qualifier.

This has been done multiple times. With discussion. I can't tell you which tags because it's been months since we've had to do any of them but it's not a new concept by any means. I believe every time it was series composed of single-name characters with most, but not all, of them having standing conflicts so it's happened.