I've been noticing a number of common tropes in Kancolle images, but I'm not sure whether they should get tags, because some of them strike me as being of marginal merit:

ou_(phrase)
One of Shimakaze's secretary lines. Problem: it's probably the most generic interjection ever.

poi_(phrase)
Yuudachi's verbal tic. Problem: not as generic as Ou, but still pretty generic. On the other hand, so is ze_(phrase).

desdiv_6_(kantai_collection)
Akatsuki, Inazuma, Ikazuchi, and Hibiki are often seen being cute together; the analogy is with the team_9 tag. Problem: DesDiv 6 is basically just a tag search, since it isn't really DesDiv 6 without all four of them (whereas Team 9 is any subset of the "childish" Touhous working together); even basic users can search for two of them and not get too many extraneous hits. Also, introducing that is liable to drive requests for group tags for the other common ship-girl sister groups (e.g. the Kongou class), and that's a Pandora's box I'm not prepared to open.

I'm bringing it to the forums because I need a critical viewpoint, not people who'll just go rush off and make the tags as soon as I suggest them, like what happened with orel_cruise. :)

Thoughts?

Mithiwithi said:

Also, introducing that is liable to drive requests for group tags for the other common ship-girl sister groups (e.g. the Kongou class)...

If ever this will be implemented, I'm sure we will be flooded with many group tags.

Though the Rare Kaze Trio seems to be okay.

Well, the things to compare to would be burning love (phrase), or pan-pa-ka-paaan!.

Ou is a bit too common, and honestly, just searching "shimakaze_(kantai_collection) translated" will almost certainly snag every hit. I'm also not certain people would want to search for "ou" or "poi" the way that people would legitimately look for "burning love".

If there's a tag I'd suggest, it would be adding one for when the girl's gear is on their back. I can tag things like smokestack for a lot of the destroyer girls, but there would legitimately be a reason people would want to discriminate between a picture of Tenryuu with her gear on and Tenryuu just standing near a factory with a smokestack with tag searches.

I could probably also suggest making a "plasma-chan" tag, since she's appeared in enough images, but is clearly distinct from normal inazuma (kantai collection). "Nano-death" might be worth a tag, as well.

NWSiaCB said:

I can tag things like smokestack for a lot of the destroyer girls, but there would legitimately be a reason people would want to discriminate between a picture of Tenryuu with her gear on and Tenryuu just standing near a factory with a smokestack with tag searches.

By the way, should I edit the funnel wiki?

NWSiaCB said:

I could probably also suggest making a "plasma-chan" tag, since she's appeared in enough images, but is clearly distinct from normal inazuma (kantai collection).

+1

I could probably also suggest making a "plasma-chan" tag, since she's appeared in enough images, but is clearly distinct from normal inazuma (kantai collection). "Nano-death" might be worth a tag, as well.

+1 as well.

henmere said:

By the way, should I edit the funnel wiki?

... Well, I never even thought to look for a chimney tag for a ship's smokestack...

Smokestack doesn't have a wiki page at all... should they be merged, or should one be defined to be separate from the other?

Maybe we should merge smokestack, island_(ship) and bridge_(ship) to machinery. We could also include boiler_(ship) and funnel_(ship) while radar and flight_deck can be separated.

Lunatic6 said:

Maybe we should merge smokestack, island_(ship) and bridge_(ship) to machinery. We could also include boiler_(ship) and funnel_(ship) while radar and flight_deck can be separated.

Like an implication?

Kadoya said:

Like an implication?

More like aliasing them since the machinery tag is like the whole package already.

Lunatic6 said:

Maybe we should merge smokestack, island_(ship) and bridge_(ship) to machinery. We could also include boiler_(ship) and funnel_(ship) while radar and flight_deck can be separated.

Not all the images tagged smokestack are machines, though. Several just show some sort of generic industrial sprawl.

I was actually thinking more along the lines of some sort of mecha-musume-specific back gear that is supposed to represent a machine tag. (Like a "Mecha_gear" tag or something.)

NWSiaCB said:

Not all the images tagged smokestack are machines, though. Several just show some sort of generic industrial sprawl.

At least we need to set something that could differentiate smokestack from chimney.

I was actually thinking more along the lines of some sort of mecha-musume-specific back gear that is supposed to represent a machine tag. (Like a "Mecha_gear" tag or something.)

I agree on this, probably that will limit the used of the machinery tag, and we could use tags such as island_(ship) or bridge_(ship) to real-life ships.

Lunatic6 said:

At least we need to set something that could differentiate smokestack from chimney.

There's no semantic difference between the two, (I think this is just one of those regional dialectic preferences for one word over the other things,) so yeah, if you want to make all machinery-related smokestack tags absorbed into machinery, and all non-machinery-related smokestacks part of chimney, that works. (It would just need a little note in the tag wikis.)

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A little off-topic, but how should I be tagging things like the clothes of characters like Yamato? Not the guns/gear themselves, but the things like that armored band in the skirt or the decorations on her chest. Is there a name for the kind of shirt she's wearing? I've been calling what she wears on her head headgear, but wonder if there's better tags for it. The same goes for those ropes the Kongou-class wear on their shirts. If they have tags, I don't know them.

Also, since there seems to be concurrence or at least positive responses and no dissent, I'll go ahead and start making a plasma-chan_(kantai_collection) tag.

I somehow thought of a solution for the group tags such as the proposed desdiv_6_(kantai_collection) tag, maybe we should just put all the division gatherings in a single pool, same with the gathering of ship classes (e.g. Kongou-Class, Fubuki-Class) and specific fleets (e.g. Nishimura's fleet, Kido Butai) but on separate pools. It's just like the ones we did in pool #2353.

What do you think?