Tag implication: Wading -> Partially_submerged

@Type-kun: The tag implication wading ->...

2016-06-27T04:15:33-04:00

The tag implication wading -> partially_submerged has been rejected.

@Schrobby: K, this is reasonable. I made two new tags for...

2016-05-24T05:50:21-04:00

K, this is reasonable. I made two new tags for objects in liquid, partially_immersed and immersed. I also made wiki entries for those, edited the ones for submerged and partially_submerged accordingly and did some tag gardening.

@NWF_Renim: There should be different tags covering people...

2016-05-23T20:12:47-04:00

There should be different tags covering people and for objects/buildings/vehicles. Lumping them together isn't a good idea because they're covering different visuals. You're going to end up with a lot of noisy (particularly for objects) by including both together (for examples characters in the water, car on the shore), so it makes a lot more sense to separate them out.

kuuderes_shadow said:

The whole "up to x point on the body" idea breaks down when you consider that a partially submerged person won't always be standing upright in the water.

The tag's value itself breaks down though when it becomes too large of a catchall in definition, and it's current definition essentially allows in anything so long as water is touching it. A line has to be drawn somewhere, otherwise you're at least going to need to subtags to separate out things like post #1044866 from post #2356436. Once you do that though, for a tag like this, does the catchall even need to exist then?

@Schrobby: > kuuderes_shadow said: > > What about...

2016-05-23T09:25:01-04:00

kuuderes_shadow said:

What about something like post #2365081?

Yeah, shit happens.

@Schrobby: Also buildings can be built partially submerged...

2016-05-23T09:13:48-04:00

Also buildings can be built partially submerged deliberately.

@user_441999: The whole "up to x point on the body" idea...

2016-05-23T07:47:46-04:00

The whole "up to x point on the body" idea breaks down when you consider that a partially submerged person won't always be standing upright in the water.

iridescent_slime said:

I agree with limiting partially submerged to water/liquid that reaches a character's torso. Partly because this seems a more intuitive definition, and partly because adding -wading to partially submerged searches will become a huge annoyance. Most taggers seem to feel the same way, as despite the wiki for partially submerged, only a small fraction of the posts with either tag have both tags.

Buildings and other constructions probably shouldn't get tagged this way either; isn't that what the flood tag is for?. As for other inanimate objects, I'm not too keen on the idea of tagging ships with partially submerged (or afloat, for that matter). The reason there isn't a not partially submerged or not submerged tag is because humans are assumed to be out of the water unless we're told otherwise. With ships, the reverse is true; being on the water is the default situation and it's where we expect them to be. It would make more sense to tag ships that aren't partially submerged.

What about something like post #2365081?

@iridescent_slime: I agree with limiting partially submerged to...

2016-05-23T07:28:40-04:00

I agree with limiting partially submerged to water/liquid that reaches a character's torso. Partly because this seems a more intuitive definition, and partly because adding -wading to partially submerged searches will become a huge annoyance. Most taggers seem to feel the same way, as despite the wiki for partially submerged, only a small fraction of the posts with either tag have both tags.

Buildings and other constructions probably shouldn't get tagged this way either; isn't that what the flood tag is for?. As for other inanimate objects, I'm not too keen on the idea of tagging ships with partially submerged (or afloat, for that matter). The reason there isn't a not partially submerged or not submerged tag is because humans are assumed to be out of the water unless we're told otherwise. With ships, the reverse is true; being on the water is the default situation and it's where we expect them to be. It would make more sense to tag ships that aren't partially submerged.

@Schrobby: Objects like buildings can also be...

2016-05-22T18:55:29-04:00

Objects like buildings can also be partially_submerged, so using how deep something is in the liquid seems problematic.

We could exclude situations like soaking_feet, though. Also all kinds of swimming objects, animate or not. As is people swimming as well as ships all are partially_submerged.

@NWF_Renim: Personally I really don't care for the...

2016-05-22T15:57:37-04:00

Personally I really don't care for the partially_submerged definition, and think that it should require that part of the torso is either touching or in the water. It seems a bit too open with it's wording "only part of one's body is under water" in it. That would seem to imply you could use the tag then for images where someone is lying alongside the pool and dipping their hand into the water.

Going with that, at least with my opinion on it, wading then could fall as either partially submerged (because the water is up to their torso) or not (because the water isn't up that high on their body).

@Type-kun: Any other input on this? Seems to fit, but I'm...

2016-05-22T15:40:17-04:00

Any other input on this? Seems to fit, but I'm not sure if there are some edge cases when that wouldn't work.

@hungkok2007: create implication Wading ->...

2016-04-21T04:19:51-04:00

create implication Wading -> Partially_submerged

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