[REJECTED] Tag implication: short_twintails -> short_hair

@DanbooruBot: The tag implication short_twintails ->...

2018-05-27T23:22:35-04:00

The tag implication short_twintails -> short_hair (forum #145178) has been rejected by @Hillside_Moose.

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2018-05-17T00:03:42-04:00

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@yelite: > chinatsu said: > > It really isn't clear...

2018-04-27T09:03:56-04:00

chinatsu said:

It really isn't clear what you mean here. That two_side_up is a type of twintails or that they are mutally exclusive?

mutally exclusive. I didn't know they already are.

The concept is very clearly recognized in anime, with popular characters such as Yoshikawa Chinatsu, Tanaka Mamimi, Kaname Madoka among others having the style. It doesn't have the problem of long twintails where the tagger is just looking to saturate a post with more tags that aren't useful, short twintails is actually very useful.

If short twintails is twintails with short hair (after get rid of two side up part), I didn't see how they're different with long twin tails = 2-tags-combine case. I understand the tag might usefull because of the large result but isn't it the same with long twintails and many other tags, which is nuked?

The special treament's only because of some long hair posts like two side up (invalid now because of the seperated of twintails/two side up) and, maybe, posts like

post #2649323

chinatsu said:

It would be two_side_up, not twintails.

I don't know if it's short twintails or not, but it is twintails. All her hair is clearly tying into two locks.

@chilled_sake: > yelite said: > > Personally, I would love to...

2018-04-24T03:38:05-04:00

yelite said:

Personally, I would love to seperated complelty two_side_up with twintails

It really isn't clear what you mean here. That two_side_up is a type of twintails or that they are mutally exclusive?

and get rid of this tag (see Long_twintails).

The concept is very clearly recognized in anime, with popular characters such as Yoshikawa Chinatsu, Tanaka Mamimi, Kaname Madoka among others having the style. It doesn't have the problem of long twintails where the tagger is just looking to saturate a post with more tags that aren't useful, short twintails is actually very useful.

Are twintails and two side up mutually exclusive?

Yes, I think so.

Is it the same with side ponytail and one side up?

Yes.

Put the two side up type aside, would post #2649323 be short twintails with long hair?

It would be two_side_up, not twintails.

Laethiel said:

-1 to implication, due to low_twintails + short_twintails

Can you cite some examples where it's actually the case such twintails are too long to be part of a head of short hair? It's not intuitive to me that there would be, plus after searching through short_twintails low_twintails I feel confirmed in that. Plus low twintails are in general shorter that most twintails just because they start lower, it really doesn't make a difference in how "short" twintails are whether they star at the top of the head or below the ears, they are still judged by their minima.

Also consider short_twintails -short_hair. Do you find posts here which would not be considered having short hair besides ones which were errantly tagged as either short_twintails to begin with? Often the tagger has either tagged below-shoulder-length hair as "short" twintails or should have used two_side_up.

+1 to splitting twintails and two_side_up

Well, this is already the case. I attempted maybe a year ago to create the opposite policy where two_side_up would be a subset of short_twintails but consensus looks to be that they are mutually exclusive.

@Laethiel: -1 to implication, due to low_twintails +...

2018-04-23T09:08:14-04:00

-1 to implication, due to low_twintails + short_twintails

+1 to splitting twintails and two_side_up

@user_525419: > yelite said: > > I would like to agree with...

2018-04-18T14:40:06-04:00

yelite said:

I would like to agree with you, but the wiki must be changed first before you want to do anything else with the tag.

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short twintails wiki is from 2009 while two side up's is 2011. In my understanding, short twintails is covering two side up with short locks because at the time there's no tag to describe this kind of hair style. In its first wiki, two side up is "a variant of twintails" (I didn't look at its wiki again till now) and the wiki of twintails only mention they're seperated in the changing on 2017.

So pardon me for asking,

Are twintails and two side up mutually exclusive?

Is it the same with side ponytail and one side up?

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Put the two side up type aside, would post #2649323 be short twintails with long hair?

Answers to your questions:

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes

@yelite: > chinatsu said: > > That wiki entry is just...

2018-04-18T09:05:30-04:00

chinatsu said:

That wiki entry is just wrong, that describes two side up

I would like to agree with you, but the wiki must be changed first before you want to do anything else with the tag.

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short twintails wiki is from 2009 while two side up's is 2011. In my understanding, short twintails is covering two side up with short locks because at the time there's no tag to describe this kind of hair style. In its first wiki, two side up is "a variant of twintails" (I didn't look at its wiki again till now) and the wiki of twintails only mention they're seperated in the changing on 2017.

So pardon me for asking,

Are twintails and two side up mutually exclusive?
Is it the same with side ponytail and one side up?

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Put the two side up type aside, would post #2649323 be short twintails with long hair?

@chilled_sake: > yelite said: > Right in short_twintails...

2018-04-18T02:24:45-04:00

yelite said:
Right in short_twintails wiki:

That wiki entry is just wrong, that describes two side up

@user_525419: > yelite said: > > uhm, did you mistake short...

2018-04-16T11:56:09-04:00

yelite said:

~~uhm, did you mistake short and low part?~~ post #2867616 isn't short twintails because

edit: didn't see you posted 2 examples. Anyhow, post #2987260 isn't either.

Then I fear nothing counts as short twintails if this post doesn't fall under it. The two bunches of hair are relatively short to the overall hair length there.
There is a huge intersection between low and short twintails.

@yelite: > Provence said: > > Replaced with post...

2018-04-16T07:00:14-04:00

Provence said:

Replaced with post #2987260.
post #2867616 (Q) should also fit and isn't low twintails.

~~uhm, did you mistake short and low part?~~ post #2867616 isn't short twintails because

If the locks of hair are longer and extend past the shoulders, they are simply to be tagged as twintails.

edit: didn't see you posted 2 examples. Anyhow, post #2987260 isn't either.

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Personally, I would love to seperated complelty two_side_up with twintails and get rid of this tag (see Long_twintails).

Because the dicussion about (Short) Twintails vs. Two Side up's going nowhere, I think the example for long short twintails (post #345073 (E)) still stand.

@user_525419: > worldendDominator said: > > That's actually...

2018-04-16T06:12:39-04:00

worldendDominator said:

That's actually two_side_up and that example is wrong.

Replaced with post #2987260.
post #2867616 (Q) should also fit and isn't low twintails.

@worldendDominator: > yelite said: > > Right in short_twintails...

2018-04-16T05:39:02-04:00

yelite said:

Right in short_twintails wiki:

That's actually two_side_up and that example is wrong.

@yelite: > skylightcrystal said: > > -1 because of...

2018-04-16T02:31:13-04:00

skylightcrystal said:

-1 because of short_twintails short_hair_with_long_locks

eg. post #2640037

post #2640037 shouldn't tag with short_hair_with_long_locks (required unbound short hair). I didn't remove the tag 'cause if she lets her hair down, the difference between the lock of hair and the the rest of her hair is distinct enough (imo).

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chinatsu said:

create implication short_twintails -> short_hair

Right in short_twintails wiki:

Characters with long hair can also wear short twintails.

post #345073

@skylightcrystal: edit 2: on second thoughts, I was right to...

2018-04-16T02:19:13-04:00

edit 2: on second thoughts, I was right to bring attention to the likes of post #2640037 - either images like this should not be tagged with short twintails, no matter how long the twintails are, or this implication should not go ahead, as these images certainly do not want the short hair tag.

I would strongly prefer the latter, so still -1 to this implication.

@chilled_sake: create implication short_twintails ->...

2018-04-16T02:03:28-04:00

create implication short_twintails -> short_hair

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