touhou animalization

@Wiimeiser: Artists can't even get Suika's horns...

2014-03-12T22:55:37-04:00

Artists can't even get Suika's horns consistent.

Also, you missed kasodani_kyouko_(yamabiko)

@Lannihan: > Schrobby said: > > Animalization is for when...

2014-03-09T15:26:45-04:00

Schrobby said:

Animalization is for when a character is depicted as an animal, not when there are just some animal features like ears, horns or tails.

Excuse me if I miss something, but the idea it's to have general and specific tags, i'll explain it in this form:

Character + animalization OK, Ex.

Character + animal_girl/boy (whatever) OK, Ex.

Character + some characteristics (Kemonomimi_mode), from a certain animal (Horns/tails/altners/body parts, ears, etc), Ex: dragon_tail tag. OK, Ex.

That´s the idea, instead of "specific_character_(add animal)", who says nothing by its own, specially for another characters from another series/plays/anime, who are characterized by the same animal. Create specific tags by copyright, it's unnecessary if we have tags like characters, "animalization", "animal_girl/boy" and/or "Kemonomimi_mode" (addying the specific tails and ears type)

PD: It's strange that Daanboru doesn´t have the fox_girl tag, since has cat_girl, dragon_girl or bunny_girl.

@Schrobby: Animalization is for when a character is...

2014-03-09T15:00:51-04:00

Animalization is for when a character is depicted as an animal, not when there are just some animal features like ears, horns or tails.

@S1eth: > S_holmes said: > > hong_meiling &...

2014-03-09T14:29:33-04:00

S_holmes said:

hong_meiling & animalization_(touhou)
inubarashi_momiji & animalization_(touhou)

Or use the existing animalization tag. It's not like animal forms cause a large overlap of copyrights.

@Lannihan: I agree with S1eth, that tag is just a...

2014-03-09T12:03:32-04:00

I agree with S1eth, that tag is just a redundancy from:

dragon_girl & hong_meiling: This is more general because the girl, in this case hong_meiling, is an anthropomorphic dragon.

Kemonomimi_mode & hong_meiling: Implies just some features, like antlers or dragon_tail, and nothing more.

Maybe, for Meiling dragon's form, and the others characters of Touhou, we could create the tag: animalization_(touhou), just for facilitate the search of the character, in her respective animal form.

For example:

hong_meiling & animalization_(touhou)
inubarashi_momiji & animalization_(touhou)

Etc...

@Schrobby: > budoka_azathoth said: > > I wouldn't. If...

2014-03-09T10:06:42-04:00

budoka_azathoth said:

I wouldn't. If there was a consistent dragonic design for her (official or fanmade) tagging it would make sense but all the dragonizations look different depending on the artist.

For the second one, I'd say that counts.

I'd be surprised if it'd be consistent. Different artists have different styles. That said I'm for keeping the tag, it's quite distinct from the normal appearance.
I guess Kemonomimi applies. Those are animal features, even though it's a mythical animal.

@bitofhope: > S1eth said: > > Would anyone mind if I nuked...

2014-03-09T09:32:16-04:00

S1eth said:

Would anyone mind if I nuked this tag now?
BTW, would a character gaining dragon features (horns/antlers) count for kemonomimi_mode?

I wouldn't. If there was a consistent dragonic design for her (official or fanmade) tagging it would make sense but all the dragonizations look different depending on the artist.

For the second one, I'd say that counts.

@S1eth: > Mysterio006 said: > Probably get rid off: > ...

2014-03-09T08:44:08-04:00

Mysterio006 said:
Probably get rid off:

hong_meiling_(dragon)

Would anyone mind if I nuked this tag now?
BTW, would a character gaining dragon features (horns/antlers) count for kemonomimi_mode?

@Mysterio006: I'm fine with removing some of those odd ones....

2011-12-23T07:14:20-05:00

I'm fine with removing some of those odd ones. It's my fault for adding some of those and getting the ball rolling, I suppose. There's a good number that aren't supported by canon but are fairly common on pixiv though... Such as mystia_lorelei_(bird). I suppose that if you take into account their youkai origins then it's plausible enough.

Probably get rid off:

hong_meiling_(dragon)
kamishirasawa_keine_(cow)
moriya_suwako_(frog)
yasaka_kanako_(snake)

These are iffy, since they do correspond to their origins...
futatsuiwa_mamizou_(tanuki)
himekaidou_hatate_(crow)
nazrin_(mouse)
reisen_udongein_inaba_(bunny)
toramaru_shou_(tiger)

@S1eth: We cannot force users to follow the forum or...

2011-12-23T06:19:58-05:00

We cannot force users to follow the forum or read the wikis. Maybe they don't even know about the animalization tag or don't know why we created the kaenbyou_rin_(cat) tag. Unless they create new wikis, it's easy enough to just delete all the tags they added.

What's even worse is that the users who add and create the new character_(animal) tag DON'T EVEN TAG THE ANIMALS.
I just added all these animals to post #1060216:
+bird +bunny +cat +crow +fox +frog +mouse +snake +sparrow +tanuki +tiger +wolf

@ghostrigger: here's the character_(animal) tags that...

2011-12-23T05:51:07-05:00

here's the character_(animal) tags that appeared in post #1060216

chen_(cat)
futatsuiwa_mamizou_(tanuki)
himekaidou_hatate_(crow)
hong_meiling_(dragon)
inaba_tewi_(bunny)
inubashiri_momiji_(wolf)
kaenbyou_rin_(cat)
kamishirasawa_keine_(cow)
moriya_suwako_(frog)
mystia_lorelei_(bird)
nazrin_(mouse)
reisen_udongein_inaba_(bunny)
shameimaru_aya_(crow)
toramaru_shou_(tiger)
yakumo_ran_(fox)
yasaka_kanako_(snake)

S1eth raised some points worth considering and i'm in favor of trimming down the tags before they become filled with posts. however, i'm not sure how are we going to convince other taggers not to create such future non-canon character_(animal) tags especially in similar situation like this where the characters in animal forms are bunched together. it's more like "tag what you see" and taking cue from other (canon) character_(animal) tags present in the image.

@BarefeetChaser: tiāngǒu Momiji is a wolf (白狼天狗), isn't she?

2011-12-23T05:02:17-05:00

tiāngǒu
Momiji is a wolf (白狼天狗), isn't she?

@S1eth: character_(animal) only makes sense for the...

2011-12-23T02:51:04-05:00

character_(animal) only makes sense for the characters which are canonically (animal) and are assumed to be able to switch between animal and human form. (or have images showing their past before they turned into their humanoid form)

In other words, we should nuke these tags:
hong_meiling_(dragon)
kamishirasawa keine (cow)
moriya suwako (frog)
yasaka kanako (snake)
saigyouji_yuyuko_(cow)
edit: fujiwara_no_mokou_(phoenix)

We should also decide whether we should use just (bird) or the more specific type for the characters:
mystia_lorelei_(bird) (sparrow)
reiuji_utsuho_(bird) (crow) or (raven) 地獄鴉
shameimaru_aya_(crow) (crow) or (raven) 鴉天狗 (same kanji)
himekaidou_hatata_(crow) (crow) or (raven) 鴉天狗 (same kanji)

Since many artists draw the animal forms of the characters different from what they should actually look like (post #982735), I guess (bird) is ok.

Momiji is apparently based on the original Chinese term tiāngoǔ (Wade-Giles:T'ien kou; 天狗; "celestial dog") (same kanji as tengu). Therefore, she would not turn into a crow. Actually, I don't know of any stories where tengu transform.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiangou :
The tengu of japanese folklore was derived from the tiāngoǔ. The tengu is usually depicted as a bird, or man with a long nose and other bird-like characteristics, while the tiāngoǔ is a dog.

@BarefeetChaser: Reiuji Utsuho (bird)

2011-12-22T12:07:57-05:00

Reiuji Utsuho (bird)

@lastsinz: Regarding that picture, the only canon...

2011-12-22T09:25:11-05:00

Regarding that picture, the only canon animalization I know would probably be kaenbyou rin (cat). (it's even a character tag) Maybe Chen (cat) and Mystia Lorelei (bird) as well, since they're more popular.

Nope for the rest. By canon, Momiji should actually turn into a crow instead...

Edit: looks like Yakumo Ran (fox) is also popular..

@ghostrigger: i'll just need a confirmation if the character...

2011-12-22T08:08:37-05:00

i'll just need a confirmation if the character + animalization tag pair isn't enough and warrants a new character_(animal) tag? post #1060216 caught my attention and noticed many examples of these. some even have a considerable population. which of these are canon and worthy of keeping? thanks.