Tag Implication: mermaid -> monster_girl

@cleartailcat: Maybe it's more of an issue with the technical...

2012-07-16T23:06:25-04:00

Maybe it's more of an issue with the technical definition of 'mermaid' but it seems strange to have the monster girl tag on images such as post #390392 and post #1041747 or mecha-musume type mermaids such as post #220227.

@Fred1515: > MyrMindservant said: > The problem is not in...

2012-07-16T15:35:40-04:00

MyrMindservant said:
The problem is not in post #1163248, but in the implication itself. mermaid shouldn't imply monster_girl for the very same reasons other similar tags discussed just recently shouldn't do it.

Apart from the insignificant issue of monster girl gender and NWF Renim's objections for insect_girl and sheep_girl, there don't seem to be any reasons why this implication should be removed and the rest of the implications shouldn't be made. Unless there are examples of lamias and slime girls that aren't monster girls or something.

@MyrMindservant: The problem is not in post #1163248, but in the...

2012-07-16T15:06:20-04:00

The problem is not in post #1163248, but in the implication itself. mermaid shouldn't imply monster_girl for the very same reasons other similar tags discussed just recently shouldn't do it.

Although you are right about post #1163248, mermaid tag should be removed from it.

@S1eth: It would make more sense to me to remove the...

2012-07-16T08:00:20-04:00

It would make more sense to me to remove the mermaid tag from post #1163248.

@MyrMindservant: Can we get rid of mermaid -> monster_girl...

2012-07-15T20:09:29-04:00

Can we get rid of mermaid -> monster_girl implication then? The reasons are already stated in this thread.

@jxh2154: I'm also of the mind that we ought to just...

2012-07-15T12:48:23-04:00

I'm also of the mind that we ought to just leave this for manual tagging. I know that will create ambiguous cases, or missed tags, but that's better than a blanket implication I guess.

@NWF_Renim: I'd be opposed to the implications of...

2012-07-08T09:18:50-04:00

I'd be opposed to the implications of insect_girl and sheep_girl -> monster_girl.

Insect_girl in my mind can cover things that can be outside of the monster_girl categorization, the same for sheep_girl (as well as every other animal_girl classification). I recognize there are cases that would qualify for monster_girl, but the tagging should be manually done, not automatic for every case, since not every case is a monster girl.

Also noted post #1163248, which is tagged mermaid and monster_girl, but the mermaid tag refers to the costume, which is not being worn.

@Fred1515: > S1eth said: > A lot of animal_girl fall...

2012-07-08T08:24:17-04:00

S1eth said:
A lot of *animal*_girl fall (or can fall) into the "non-monster girls type B" category.

In such cases I'd argue that they shouldn't have been tagged *animal*_girl in the first place. This doesn't affect the validity of the implications IMHO.

@S1eth: The monster_girl tag we use is for...

2012-07-08T03:28:37-04:00

The monster_girl tag we use is for half-human/half-monster girl as depicted in post #113417.

A lot of *animal*_girl fall (or can fall) into the "non-monster girls type B" category.

@Fred1515: Necrobumping for mermaid and the following...

2012-07-07T22:29:56-04:00

Necrobumping for mermaid and the following implications:

bee_girl -> insect_girl
spider_girl -> insect_girl
insect_girl -> monster_girl
dragon_girl -> monster_girl
sheep_girl -> monster_girl
goo_girl -> monster_girl
harpy -> monster_girl
lamia -> monster_girl

Since the monster_girl tag seems to be forgotten a lot when people tag these specific monster girl types, I think the implications are worth it. The gender issue mentioned above is insignificant considering that posts depict pretty much exclusively girls and that we already tag them as *_girl anyway (centaur and satyr being the only masculine nouns).

@jxh2154: > 葉月 said: Similarly, if you were cosplaying an...

2009-10-03T14:42:08-04:00

葉月 said: Similarly, if you were cosplaying an arachne, you'd be cosplaying a monster girl and the tag would apply.

As I brought up in the very next sentence after your quote stopped.

But I still don't see a problem with having people do this manually. Implications don't have to be perfect, I agree with that much, but we were to push this through we would indeed need to make monster_girl gender neutral like you note. Meh.

@葉月: > jxh2154 said: > I guess the argument was that...

2009-10-03T14:27:50-04:00

jxh2154 said:
I guess the argument was that it's merman, but damn I do not want to get into gender dividing these so you have a point.

If we don't care enough to tag mermen differently, we don't care enough about the incorrect effects of the implication. The only thing is whether or not we want to change the term "monster girl" itself into something gender-neutral.

That's what I was getting at with referencing post #491959, I think. Not that it's a costume there (not familiar enough with the show to know, but I assume it isn't), but rather than the visual effect is just so not monstrous...

That is inconsequential. As has been said before, it's not the question of how cute the end effect looks. Some goo girls are cute like all hell, but they still are monster girls. Similarly, if you were cosplaying an arachne, you'd be cosplaying a monster girl and the tag would apply.

@Algasir: Looking at the series in Wikipedia, I can only...

2009-10-03T10:03:22-04:00

Looking at the series in Wikipedia, I can only assume that they only have fish parts when they are in the water.

@jxh2154: > ds2096 said: > post #533339 is definitely...

2009-10-03T09:48:39-04:00

ds2096 said:
post #533339 is definitely mermaid but not monster_girl because that's not a girl.

I guess the argument was that it's merman, but damn I do not want to get into gender dividing these so you have a point.

And neither is post #511051, because that's a costume. I don't think mermaid -> monster_girl works.

That's what I was getting at with referencing post #491959, I think. Not that it's a costume there (not familiar enough with the show to know, but I assume it isn't), but rather than the visual effect is just so not monstrous... I suppose the argument against the costume thing would be "well she's cosplay a monster_girl then" but... yeah, I'm considering reversing even this one.

@Bapabooiee: Judging from what I've seen in this thread,...

2009-10-03T00:18:29-04:00

Judging from what I've seen in this thread, implying that a mermaid is a monster doesn't seem to work for all contexts.

I think this is something that's just gonna have be controversial; so we should rely on judgement calls, and make the distinction between what we consider is a "monster (girl)" or not, and tag appropriately.

All in all, I don't think we should create this implication.

@ds2096: post #533339 is definitely mermaid but not...

2009-10-02T23:58:36-04:00

post #533339 is definitely mermaid but not monster_girl because that's not a girl. And neither is post #511051, because that's a costume. I don't think mermaid -> monster_girl works.

@KeliraTelian: The thing about finding a "gender neutral" term...

2009-10-02T21:54:24-04:00

The thing about finding a "gender neutral" term is that the concept isn't really "gender neutral", its very specifically about taking "monsters" and making them, well, girls.

@Kayako: Is there perhaps a japanese term for this sort...

2009-10-02T21:52:10-04:00

Is there perhaps a japanese term for this sort of thing that's gender-neutral? I know we try not to use those sorts of tags, but it would be an idea.

@Shinjidude: There are also things like post #476079, post...

2009-10-02T16:24:31-04:00

There are also things like post #476079, post #484668, and post #432040, that while humanoid, I'd have a hard time calling half-human.

@Algasir: Most of the images that fall under monster_girl...

2009-10-02T16:08:20-04:00

Most of the images that fall under monster_girl are typically half human (or at least look like a human), right? Maybe we can use something like demi-human instead? The only thing I can see that conflicts with it from the monster_girl wiki would be goo_girl, but like I said before the images with that tag still have a human shape at least.