Undine tag: Character or general case?

@MagicalAsparagus: > jxh2154 said: > > General guide: if a...

2013-08-25T19:47:14-04:00

jxh2154 said:

General guide: if a game/series/etc has a generic class name as the only reference to characters, use that + _(qualifier). Base tag without qualifier will be gentag.

The only time you don't need a qualifier is if it's exclusive to a single the franchise.

That is all right, but do we need both the gentag and the chartag, like for example hunter and hunter_(ragnarok_online) in the same post?

@MagicalAsparagus: > S1eth said: > > Tagging mecha as characters...

2013-08-25T19:45:29-04:00

S1eth said:

Tagging mecha as characters (but all other vehicles/aircraft/etc. are general) goes WAY back.
Earliest thread I could find topic #1924.

Yeah, thanks.

"Mechas are usually defined as characters, since they are basically characters of their respective copyrights in and of themselves."

Okay, I don't just get it.

@jxh2154: General guide: if a game/series/etc has a...

2013-08-25T19:42:56-04:00

General guide: if a game/series/etc has a generic class name as the only reference to characters, use that + _(qualifier). Base tag without qualifier will be gentag.

The only time you don't need a qualifier is if it's exclusive to a single the franchise.

@MagicalAsparagus: > BCI_Temp said: > > I am in favor of...

2013-08-25T19:42:21-04:00

BCI_Temp said:

I am in favor of splitting game-specific class characters into their own character and retaining the generic name as a general tag.

Yeah, that's most logical, of course. It would also separate for example WoW's paladins from RO's paladins. But then we should decide when we use the gentags like paladin, warrior, hunter etc as well. I still think we should do as we did with rogue.

@MagicalAsparagus: Well, just as toks said - create the...

2013-08-25T19:39:13-04:00

Well, just as toks said - create the undine_(guilty_gear) chartag and mention it in undine-gentag wiki.

@MagicalAsparagus: Well, just as toks said - create the...

2013-08-25T19:39:13-04:00

Well, just as toks said - create the undine_(guilty_gear) chartag and mention it in undine-gentag wiki.

@BCI_Temp: I am in favor of splitting game-specific class...

2013-08-25T19:29:32-04:00

I am in favor of splitting game-specific class characters into their own character and retaining the generic name as a general tag.

As for the original topic: No objections to Undine (Guilty Gear)?

@S1eth: Tagging mecha as characters (but all other...

2013-08-25T19:27:15-04:00

Tagging mecha as characters (but all other vehicles/aircraft/etc. are general) goes WAY back.
Earliest thread I could find topic #1924.

@MagicalAsparagus: Also: why is that that zeta_ii in gundam is a...

2013-08-25T19:09:08-04:00

Also:
why is that that zeta_ii in gundam is a gentag and its variations (or whatever they are, I'm not familiar with the series derp) like zeta_plus are chartags? Why are all those gundam robots chartags anyway? Well yeah, evas are chartags too, but there is at least a plot explanation to that.

@MagicalAsparagus: Well, I believe it's okay for Buront to be...

2013-08-25T18:31:08-04:00

Well, I believe it's okay for Buront to be tagged also as paladin_(final_fantasy_xi), since they probably wear some distinctive armor, right?

@S1eth: Looking through the tags you posted, here's a...

2013-08-25T18:25:03-04:00

Looking through the tags you posted, here's a curious example.

post #550729
It's an image of Buront, a named elvaan (implicates elf BTW) paladin_(final_fantasy_xi). (has all 3 character tags)
Given, I've seen a lot of Buront+elvaan images, but I've never seen one also tagged paladin.

@MagicalAsparagus: S1eth has a point. Why don't we just make class...

2013-08-25T18:13:30-04:00

S1eth has a point. Why don't we just make class tags like that princess_(7th_dragon) chartags and all race tags gentags? Seems quite logical to me.

@S1eth: I wondered about this myself. We have...

2013-08-25T18:11:16-04:00

I wondered about this myself.

We have established that most (all?) mythical beasts and monster species are general tags.
For RPG games, we have a weird system where we often use the name of a character class or the race as a character tag because the actual characters are often unnamed.
There are 3 types:
named characters in the story of a given race.
a limited selection of looks for your character (for example princess_(7th_dragon) is 1 tag for 4 different characters. (they actually have names!))
an extensive customization system often found in MMOs.

and I think the race tag as a character tag is only useful for original characters, and the class tag as character is useful for unnamed (NOT original) characters.

It's quite ridiculous in the Macross universe when you have every image of Klan Klein also tagged with zentradi and meltrandi (meltrandi = female zentradi) = 3 character tags.

@MagicalAsparagus: So we change blood elves to chartag, right? ...

2013-08-25T18:07:00-04:00

So we change blood elves to chartag, right?

Now, concerning classes, these need some major cleanup:
paladin, chartag
hunter, chartag
warrior, gentag
priest, gentag
knight, gentag
I'm uncertain about mage, shaman and some other "less popular" classes.

Whops, self-fix. Rogue has already been tagged as ambiguous. I suggest we do the same to others. Also for instance hunter should be removed from posts tagged as hunter_(ragnarok_online) etc

@Toks: > MagicalAsparagus said: > > Yeah, probably....

2013-08-25T18:01:31-04:00

MagicalAsparagus said:

Yeah, probably. But then again, orcs, elves, orges etc are gentags. This is so confusing ._.

I guess it's because ones like mithra belong to a specific copyright and could be thought of as a 'character' of sorts, while elves and the rest are well-known concepts, and their exact design varies a lot depending on the artist. [/wildguessing]

@MagicalAsparagus: Yeah, probably. But then again, orcs, elves,...

2013-08-25T17:51:54-04:00

Yeah, probably. But then again, orcs, elves, orges etc are gentags. This is so confusing ._.

@Toks: Yes, an ambiguous character name like undine...

2013-08-25T17:47:09-04:00

Yes, an ambiguous character name like undine should be given a qualifier. Just make sure the undine wiki mentions undine_(guilty_gear) so people can still find it.

MagicalAsparagus said:

I'd like to add some to the list. draenei is chartag, and blood_elf is gentag, I don't see why is that.

Races like that should be character tags, right? That's how it seems by looking at existing race tags, such as elvaan, tarutaru, mithra, etc.

@MagicalAsparagus: I'd like to add some to the list. draenei is...

2013-08-25T17:36:19-04:00

I'd like to add some to the list. draenei is chartag, and blood_elf is gentag, I don't see why is that. Also, a lot of class names in several mmo games need revision, especially ragnarok online and world of warcraft. I had a list on anoher computer, but now I can't get acces to it :/
I also suggest that we move this thread to something like "Chartags that need to be gentags and vice versa".

@BCI_Temp: After stumbling onto salamander as a character...

2013-08-25T14:30:32-04:00

After stumbling onto salamander as a character tag, I've swapped it over to general, updated the Wiki for to include both the animal and the mythological creature, and I've since moved onto the other three elemental spirits that Paracelsus named: sylph, gnome, and undine.

The first two were no problem, but the last one presents a conundrum. I would like to use undine as a general tag, but one of Dizzy from Guilty Gear's wing-creatures is named Undine. Only 8 images (including 1 deleted) out of 159 for that tag don't refer to this character.

My preference is to move all relevant images into Undine (Guilty Gear), but I just wanted to make sure that no one has a problem with that due to the historical usage of the tag and would prefer me to make something like undine (spirit), undine (mythology), etc.