WillieGR said: I agree 100% with you on those statement! She looks so darn cute smiling, and those evil trolls get NOTHING! Patchy's got a point, though.
I love how people harp on Reimu's attitude while ignoring that she's a poor shrine maiden who has to fight insanely powerful monsters all the time for absolutely no financial compensation. All the while, many of the various monsters whom she has fought in the past congregate at her shrine (making it even more unlikely that humans will come and donate) to splurge off of her already limited resources!
It doesn't help that many of them are obnoxiously spoiled in their behavior; some admittedly showing up just to annoy her for fun and some of them having been her enemies in the past simply because they were messing around for fun.
Remilia covered Gensokyo in darkness because she wanted to go for a walk during the day (kind of a moot point if the sun is covered, don't you think, Remi?) instead of just using her sun parasol.
Yuyuko stole spring from the land just because she wanted to see a single cherry bloosom tree bloom, ignoring that she's surrounded by smaller but similar trees all the time.
Yukari was manipulating things behind the scenes during the aforementioned event for the lulz!
Suika was making everybody party non-stop through magic just because she likes to party.
Kaguya is probably the most spoiled out of a very big bunch of spoiled brats (a princess who will live in splendor until probably the end of time).
Komachi was slacking at her job, resulting in an overflow of ghosts in the land of the living, then Shiki shows up and starts dissing everyone.
The Mountain of Faith crew are complete asshats who have tried to drive Reimu into total poverty just to steal what few believers her shrine has, and have only ever once contributed something positive to Gensokyo (Sanae helping out during UFO, and that was mainly to satisfy her own curiosity).
Utsuho is adorable but a lot of people forget she was the first Windows bad guy to have a genuinely evil scheme. She wanted to burn the surface world of Gensokyo to ashes and turn it into a new ell of Blazing Fires... all because Kanako set in motion events that led to her becoming insanely powerful (thanks again, Moriya Shrine contingent).
tenshi is not only one of the most obnoxious villains ever, she also causes catastrophes to alleviate her broedom, is one of the few to hand Reimu her ass, and she destroyed Reimu's shrine for fun.
The only completely innocent antagonist in all of the Windows series is Byakuren as Reimu's battle with her was over a big misunderstanding.
Just about everyone Reimu knows is a former foe, most of them spoiled brats who all enjoy much better living conditions than her despite rarely doing anything but making mischief. The sad thing is, these people are still the only real friends she has and they certainly show her more appreciation than the humans Reimu has been saving for years now. I'd be pissed off too!
Yuyuko stole spring from the land just because she wanted to see a single cherry bloosom tree bloom, ignoring that she's surrounded by smaller but similar trees all the time.
She was trying to revive the person buried under the tree.
Suika was making everybody party non-stop through magic just because she likes to party.
She was trying to find the other onis.
The Mountain of Faith crew are complete asshats who have tried to drive Reimu into total poverty just to steal what few believers her shrine has, and have only ever once contributed something positive to Gensokyo (Sanae helping out during UFO, and that was mainly to satisfy her own curiosity).
Kanako was trying to prevent the decline and ultimate disappearance of faith gods in Gensokyo. Also, for uFO, all the main characters were doing so out of curiosity. They all thought it was a treasure ship, that's why they went to investigate it.
Utsuho is adorable but a lot of people forget she was the first Windows bad guy to have a genuinely evil scheme. She wanted to burn the surface world of Gensokyo to ashes and turn it into a new ell of Blazing Fires... all because Kanako set in motion events that led to her becoming insanely powerful (thanks again, Moriya Shrine contingent).
They were trying to get nuclear fusion energy, which is a GOOD thing. Virtually unlimited amount of energy for no cost or waste.
The problem was that Utsuho was chosen, and she decided on world domination.
Tenshi is not only one of the most obnoxious villains ever, she also causes catastrophes to alleviate her broedom, is one of the few to hand Reimu her ass, and she destroyed Reimu's shrine for fun.
Boredom can kill. You try sitting around for months doing nothing without sleeping.
You paint a vast picture, but one riddled with faults.
She was trying to revive the person buried under the tree.
While stealing spring, which affects everyone.
TMOAGTIEB said: She was trying to find the other onis.
While forcing people to do as she wanted.
TMOAGTIEB said: Kanako was trying to prevent the decline and ultimate disappearance of faith gods in Gensokyo.
Uh no, she was violently forcing everyone to follow her religion, there was no crisis, not to mention the events that happened after the game where it's shown that she didn't have to resort to violence to get followers. Everyone disliked Kanako's actions during MoF so much that the tengu were actually planning an assault on her shrine to exterminate her till Reimu came along and solved the incident in the less destructive way.
TMOAGTIEB said: They were trying to get nuclear fusion energy, which is a GOOD thing. Virtually unlimited amount of energy for no cost or waste.
The problem was that Utsuho was chosen, and she decided on world domination.
Kanako deliberately fooled the dumbest one she could find so that she could be easy controllable, when that backfired, she said that if Utsuho did succeed in destroying the surface, she'd just leave Gensokyo, without caring at all what happened to it because of her actions.
TMOAGTIEB said: Boredom can kill. You try sitting around for months doing nothing without sleeping.
No amount of boredom can ever justify creating earthquakes.
Yeah I know this is a 5-year-late reply, but it still settles things straight.
She intended to return the spring after she's done. The implication of Yukari's contribution in the incident is that she's obligated as a friend to help Yuyuko, but also leaving out the trails of spring so the MCs can stop her.
While forcing people to do as she wanted.
People of Gensokyo are party animals anyway. They always find reasons to have festival.
Uh no, she was violently forcing everyone to follow her religion, there was no crisis, not to mention the events that happened after the game where it's shown that she didn't have to resort to violence to get followers. Everyone disliked Kanako's actions during MoF so much that the tengu were actually planning an assault on her shrine to exterminate her till Reimu came along and solved the incident in the less destructive way.
It's Sanae who got too overzealous. Most of the conflict in MoF is that the Moriya is complete noob in Gensokyo hierarchy and politic, her action ends up offending the status quo. The tengu were hostile most because they're intruding the mountain, as the tengu are isolationist. Their attempt of proselytize technically will bring more people to the mountain, that's why Kanako was trying to cooperate with the Hakurei as a branch shrines (which makes the conflict with the Hakurei as Gensokyo's keystone and with Reimu's greed) and later, the cable train (to appease the tengu's demands of not entering their territory).
Kanako deliberately fooled the dumbest one she could find so that she could be easy controllable, when that backfired, she said that if Utsuho did succeed in destroying the surface, she'd just leave Gensokyo, without caring at all what happened to it because of her actions.
Uh... where did she say that? The one who confirm and explain Moriya shrine's meddling with Utsuho are Suwako and Sanae. And even that, there's no indication of problem other than the kappa being inexperienced with nuclear thing. Nitori, who's in the scheme, is more concerned to see some demonstration and basically apathetic with Utsuho's attempt of armageddon because she knows Gensokyo's Godzilla Threshold will go dogpiling on the dumb raven's ass before it can happen.
No amount of boredom can ever justify creating earthquakes.
If Heaven is exactly like how Bhava Arga is in texts, then imagine yourself in a place where the only people allowed to live there are empty shells only living for sake of dancing, playing, and singing praises for the Dragon God, who cares no one other than your idol because their discipline on Earth had brainwashed them into that state. And then you, who got there because of nepotism, just doesn't have the same opinion of that, but no one will listen you because you don't matter to them. Okay, maybe that's pretty harsh for the Buddhish, but that's basically it. Zun has confirmed the last part.
Oh, and Kaguya is not the one who caused the incident of endless night; the MCs do. Eirin is the one who put Earth in her pot, but that's because she's paranoid, which is understandable when we see what kind of elitist jerks the Lunarians are. Kaguya is practically the one who solves the incident at the end because she likes Earth more than the Moon, the very reason why she stays on Earth.
You seem under the impression that I excuse the reason why these guys are doing what they're doing, but I mostly talking about how their reasons make sense in term of their decidedly-not-human values. Also, I wrote those examples as a complement to the previous comment that you quoted, so it has more context.
1. Yuyuko intended to return the spring, true, but only after she was finished, and if anybody suffered from the prolonged winter she caused then they were SOL.
It's not that long. The winter was only extended shortly into the spring and Yuyuko's scheme was almost completed by then. The heroes are going down on Yuyuko because they were impatient that they can't get drunk on Hanami sake yet and not because it has an effect on Gensokyo's ecosystem, at least not yet. If it has an effect on Gensokyo, then Yukari wouldn't stand it even if the mastermind is Yuyuko.
2. You mean the youkai and supernatural beings of Gensokyo are party animals (we almost never see the people of the Human Village engage in party-till-you-drop festivals in any of the canon works. Denying people the choice isn't justified just because your forcing them to do something 'fun'.
And that's why the game happened; everyone needs to kick Suika's teeth in so her hedonism can be sated.
3. Sanae may have been shooting off her mouth, but the responsibility for her actions still falls on Kanako's head. Sanae is her subordinate, and she's the one who sent Sanae to confront Reimu. Kanako and Suwako ultimately didn't understand how things were ran in Gensokyo and inadvertently ended up almost stepping on the toes of people who could have annihilated them.
That's also the reason why the game happened; the Moriya need some 'education' to understand their place in Gensokyo. And it extended to basically HM for them to take on a more passive role because they won't run out of faith in Gensokyo. As it's already explained, Sanae at the time was basically an overzealous medieval crusader going 'deus vult' at anything not-Moriya, so she naturally antagonized Reimu, who didn't want to convert. Sanae's mistake is convenient to Kanako, yes, but there's no way Kanako knows about that until Reimu knocks on her door, and it could only happen after Reimu already blasted Sanae's face with danmaku. At that point, violence is unavoidable.
4. Still doesn't change the fact that Kanako gave the power of a God to an idiot who then tried to commit genocide with said power. It shows a horrific lack of responsibility and common sense on her part.
Kanako's reason of choosing Okuu in the first place is because she's dumb (read:empty). Because youkai is made of pure belief, changing the fundamental belief will change the youkai. Okuu is a better option because she can take it - precisely because she's empty, so she can be filled with a different belief without changing what she was. There's no way to predict that Okuu wants to make the surface like hell, because to her, hell is a home, and there's no way to predict that she wants to avenge Satori, because Satori never want revenge.
But you're correct in a way; that Kanako is too negligent, and she starts to do things Gensokyo way - wait until the situation is turning south and depending on the Hakurei to clean the mess.
5. So Tenshi's life sucking justified her risking people's lives and literally using the souls of the dead as fuel for her twisted games? Tenshi is one of the few people we have seen genuinely piss off Komachi of all people. That's just how messed up her scheme was.
That's also why the game happened. It's just her action is understandable from one point; she's still an arrogant, spoiled brat who needs some good spanking. It's regrettable that the only way she thinks she can have fun is to cause an incident, but at least she got it in the best way it can possibly go; everyone was angry at her and didn't forgive her that easily even in her appearance in AoCF.
6. Kaguya resolved that incident (which you blame the MCs for starting)? That has got to be the most bizarre, ass-backward interpretation of Imperishable Night's plot that I have ever seen. As you said, Eirin put the Earth in a pot to hide herself and Kaguya from the Moon Envoys (who have ended up doing jack all the few times they have come to Earth). She also replaced the image of the moon in the sky with a fake moon that could induce insanity (either it was a rush-job or she was seriously lazy). The MCs had no way of knowing that the Eientei cast would fix everything shortly thereafter, and if they had bothered to explain that then the incident could have been avoided.
Kaguya choosing the Earth over the moon meant nothing in the grand scheme of things. If the Moon people actually gave a rat's ass about her they would drag her back, kicking and screaming, and she wouldn't be able to do a damn thing about it other than pray Eirin rescues her.
IN's plot goes like this; Eirin was paranoid that the Moon will capture Kaguya because Udonge deserted from the Moon and she feared they'll track Udonge's trail into Eientei. To do so, she hid the Earth from the Moon by putting the Earth inside a pot, then she put a fake moon in the pot so Gensokyo won't realize that they were put inside a pot. The playable character in the game were those who realize that the moon is a fake, so they decided to extend the night so they can have time to investigate who put that fake moon on, and they could only do it at night otherwise the trail would go cold and the culprit would wised up and change her trick. Eirin can't come out and admitted what she had done because she was under the impression that Gensokyo is in cahoots with the Moon Capital out of her paranoia.
The moon was causing insanity is because the moon always causes insanity; it's just because the distance was closer this time around, it reflects insanity stronger than it usually is. The moon is like a mirror (Suika can shatter it by punching it hard enough when it was on again after IN), and it went especially strong because Udonge used the fake moon to reflect her eyes so it was thrice as insanity-inducting.
Kaguya was the one who shattered the eternal night spell to make a point to Eirin that she's not afraid and Eirin doesn't need to do what she does. You can see the eternal night spell shatters in Kaguya's Spellcards.
'Kaguya choosing the Earth over the moon meant nothing in the grand scheme of things' is true for anyone else, but the Lunarians are just that kind of people. Chang'e was turned into a frog and kept captive in a small bowl for the same reason Kaguya was exiled from the Capital in the first place. The fact that they were willing to accept her back in the Moon is the proof that the Moon had loosen up. The Lunarians are really thorough when they want to drag the offending party through the mud, or so Eirin believes. Eirin is a Lunarian, thus she thinks that Earth is impure and a too cruel a punishment for her beloved student. But she also thinks that the Moon would not forgive Kaguya for what she had done. Earth is filthy, the Moon is no go, so Eirin doesn't know where Kaguya belongs to. Kaguya shattering the eternal night is basically Kaguya saying that Earth's fine the way it is.
Please don't get mad and just hear me out, okay?I want to drink sake with you, but please don't tear off my wings or anything... okay? Okay?If you want to drink with me, there's an empty spot for you to sit, you know?*pat*How boring.Um, hey, Reimu...*shivering*Why would I want to tear off your wings?Love Juices
lit. "genital fluids"Tch!Did she forget what she wanted to do in the first place?And now she's the one being made to smile instead.