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@aListers on post #1135528 (kochiya sanae and tatara kogasa (touhou) drawn by mizuki_hitoshi)

2012-09-29T00:04:48-04:00

I accidently down voted sombody's comment and I can't find it anymore. sorry to poilu.

@standpoor on post #1135528 (kochiya sanae and tatara kogasa (touhou) drawn by mizuki_hitoshi)

2012-04-09T01:35:30-04:00

MaullarMaullar said:
Back on topic, Mizuki Hitoshi stopped by my art stream in the hotel. While we were drawing a bondage model. He was very amused.

What's this about a bondage model?

@StriderTuna on post #1135528 (kochiya sanae and tatara kogasa (touhou) drawn by mizuki_hitoshi)

2012-04-07T14:16:17-04:00

Unlike what some say he's neutral (doesn't stop ignorant jackasses from crying "ZUN hates westerners). But his view is understandable as just how many touhou fans care about the references or even teh games themselves that matter? I'm certain it'd be outweighed by those who are into Touhou solely for the yuri material.

@Aldemotte on post #1135528 (kochiya sanae and tatara kogasa (touhou) drawn by mizuki_hitoshi)

2012-04-06T17:46:41-04:00

ZUN does not care for the west and wants little to do with it. This has been widely known for years.

@Nilix on post #1135528 (kochiya sanae and tatara kogasa (touhou) drawn by mizuki_hitoshi)

2012-04-06T07:58:22-04:00

Kilgamayan said:
Since it's now comic-relevant, the quick story behind this is that I got the idea some time last year to have a Japanese Touhou guest at an American convention. After bouncing the idea off of a couple of friends, we eventually decided that Hitoshi would be the best invite due to a variety of circumstances.

Shit man, you should have announced this earlier. I would've spent good money to head to Anime Boston.

@AdventZero on post #1135528 (kochiya sanae and tatara kogasa (touhou) drawn by mizuki_hitoshi)

2012-04-06T06:42:20-04:00

*Lots of law and legal stuff*

Danbooru, you never fail to enlighten me. You learn something new everyday.

Anyway, wow. I am so envious of you all. Very looking forward to Mizuki Hitoshi's strips about this event.

@BadRoad on post #1135528 (kochiya sanae and tatara kogasa (touhou) drawn by mizuki_hitoshi)

2012-04-05T23:12:24-04:00

MaullarMaullar said:
Back on topic, Mizuki Hitoshi stopped by my art stream in the hotel. While we were drawing a bondage model. He was very amused.

I will laugh so hard if that winds up in the comic tomorrow. (Well, today, technically, but whatever.)

@MaullarMaullar on post #1135528 (kochiya sanae and tatara kogasa (touhou) drawn by mizuki_hitoshi)

2012-04-05T21:18:45-04:00

Blossop said:
Way I understand it, in American law, letting a copyright infringement go unchallenged weakens your stance for challenging subsequent infringements. The reason the doujin market can flourish in Japan is the lack of such a rule there. Also, partly because of this, they recognized the marketing value of fan-created content.

You're probably thinking of trademark. US copyright law has no duty to prosecute (although the doctrine of laches might reduce the damages you can recover as a copyright plaintiff, in certain cases.)

Under both US and Japanese law, the copyright holder has the exclusive right to prepare derivative works, including doujins. This is a requirement of all WTO nations under the Berne Convention, incorporated into the TRIPS agreement. The reason doujin work isn't prosecuted in Japan has more to do with a lack of IP prosecutors.

Back on topic, Mizuki Hitoshi stopped by my art stream in the hotel. While we were drawing a bondage model. He was very amused.

@Firestorm29 on post #1135528 (kochiya sanae and tatara kogasa (touhou) drawn by mizuki_hitoshi)

2012-04-05T18:58:24-04:00

My understanding of fanworks for Japan is that there is a clause that allows for the doujin market to make no or a small bit of profit off of derivative works like parody and the like.

There are some that cross the line, I think the reason that was stated is because these things have a positive effect on the economy in general, so the larger business won't touch em.

The US doesn't have either protection. I wouldn't be shocked if most companies in general wouldn't allow a doujin-style work to go through since companies view it more as someone freeloading of their work.

@Fychan on post #1135528 (kochiya sanae and tatara kogasa (touhou) drawn by mizuki_hitoshi)

2012-04-05T18:49:14-04:00

zebcar said:
As I understand it, fanworks are illegal under Japanese law as well but are usually not prosecuted.

Zun could license Touhou under the CC which would make fan derivatives explicitly legal in both Japan and the US (and most everywhere else for that matter).

As far as I know, both Comiket and TreFes/Wonfes have applications you need to send before being accepted and selling your work. This application serves as a permit for selling copyrighted stuff, too. Companys have the right to deny you selling a certain doujin/kit in an event (I've only seen this happen once with a K-On kit though).
I have no idea how Reitaisai works, though.

@Blossop on post #1135528 (kochiya sanae and tatara kogasa (touhou) drawn by mizuki_hitoshi)

2012-04-05T18:46:26-04:00

Way I understand it, in American law, letting a copyright infringement go unchallenged weakens your stance for challenging subsequent infringements. The reason the doujin market can flourish in Japan is the lack of such a rule there. Also, partly because of this, they recognized the marketing value of fan-created content.

@zebcar on post #1135528 (kochiya sanae and tatara kogasa (touhou) drawn by mizuki_hitoshi)

2012-04-05T16:24:06-04:00

UnderneathTheWaves said:
Pretty sure it has little to do with Japanese references and more with concern about American copyright law and what it would mean for doujinshi in Japan.

As I understand it, fanworks are illegal under Japanese law as well but are usually not prosecuted.

Zun could license Touhou under the CC which would make fan derivatives explicitly legal in both Japan and the US (and most everywhere else for that matter).

@bouncymischa on post #1135528 (kochiya sanae and tatara kogasa (touhou) drawn by mizuki_hitoshi)

2012-04-05T15:12:08-04:00

HelepolisH said:
OT:

Just do what you think is most safe and fun to do.

I will be meeting Warugaki at Reitaisai, I've had some crazy suggestions as well but I am not quite sure whether I should follow those :V

Byargh, Warugaki is probably the one artist I'd love to meet in person! I've been considering trying to get to Reitaisai next year to try and meet him, but it's got me a bit nervous that it'd be difficult to do...

@truckingman on post #1135528 (kochiya sanae and tatara kogasa (touhou) drawn by mizuki_hitoshi)

2012-04-05T14:52:18-04:00

I recommend the SR-71. It's fast as hell, so a five to six hours trip is shortened to three hours.

@UTW on post #1135528 (kochiya sanae and tatara kogasa (touhou) drawn by mizuki_hitoshi)

2012-04-05T13:38:10-04:00

Pretty sure it has little to do with Japanese references and more with concern about American copyright law and what it would mean for doujinshi in Japan.

Edit: Yeah, that forum thread that was pointed out is where I remember reading about his concerns.

@dctreborn on post #1135528 (kochiya sanae and tatara kogasa (touhou) drawn by mizuki_hitoshi)

2012-04-05T13:34:30-04:00

The comic just became meta, so very meta.

@KaitoDies on post #1135528 (kochiya sanae and tatara kogasa (touhou) drawn by mizuki_hitoshi)

2012-04-05T13:05:40-04:00

glasnost said:
Is there a source for this information? I've always heard that it comes from an interview with him, but I've never seen it narrowed down any further than that.

It doesn't mention his opinion on the western fandom but it's something anyway.

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2308033

20th post on the second page. Don't know how legit it is [I'm pretty unfamiliar with Steam in general] but I dunno why someone would lie about it.

@KillerSnowflake on post #1135528 (kochiya sanae and tatara kogasa (touhou) drawn by mizuki_hitoshi)

2012-04-05T12:48:37-04:00

I'm going to be at anime Boston on sat. Hope to see him there. As well as meet some other Touhou fans. I don't have many friends into anime or manga at all really. This is also my first time going to a con!

@glasnost on post #1135528 (kochiya sanae and tatara kogasa (touhou) drawn by mizuki_hitoshi)

2012-04-05T12:45:09-04:00

Kilgamayan said:
He knows we exist, but he doesn't particularly care. He's decline opportunities to sell his games stateside because he believes Americans wouldn't understand most, if any, of the historical and cultural references. Which is probably very true, to be honest. (I was only vaguely familiar with Prince Shoutoku prior to XD and I only knew the Tale of the Bamboo Cutter from Pita-Ten.)

Is there a source for this information? I've always heard that it comes from an interview with him, but I've never seen it narrowed down any further than that.

@The_Shadow on post #1135528 (kochiya sanae and tatara kogasa (touhou) drawn by mizuki_hitoshi)

2012-04-05T12:40:18-04:00

Kilgamayan said:
He knows we exist, but he doesn't particularly care. He's decline opportunities to sell his games stateside because he believes Americans wouldn't understand most, if any, of the historical and cultural references. Which is probably very true, to be honest. (I was only vaguely familiar with Prince Shoutoku prior to XD and I only knew the Tale of the Bamboo Cutter from Pita-Ten.)

Considering the vast support places like ours has for Touhou and the growing popularity - last con I was at was AWA last year I saw several Touhou cosplayers just in my wandering around - I'd say that he's not wrong but he's kind of not right either.