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@liquidfreedom88 on post #1925435 (kaga, zuikaku, and taigei (kantai collection) drawn by y.ssanoha)

2016-01-09T07:51:32-05:00

kaga is a cool one lol

@faeriedust on post #1925435 (kaga, zuikaku, and taigei (kantai collection) drawn by y.ssanoha)

2016-01-08T02:26:06-05:00

NegativeSoul said:

Even though Zuikaku is the one who shot her I think Kaga is the one who needs a talking too. You're at level 99 and yet you get tagged by someone at level one? She should be more aware of her surroundings.

RNG

@79248cm/s on post #1925435 (kaga, zuikaku, and taigei (kantai collection) drawn by y.ssanoha)

2015-09-13T23:21:37-04:00

Delicious nurse Taigei...
...
Oh right, projectile weapon terminal ballistics and all that...

@wolffenrirhelix on post #1925435 (kaga, zuikaku, and taigei (kantai collection) drawn by y.ssanoha)

2015-06-29T14:46:22-04:00

Everyone discussing weapon injuries

Danbooru; Come for the pictures, stay for the SCIENCE!.

@PantsuGrenade on post #1925435 (kaga, zuikaku, and taigei (kantai collection) drawn by y.ssanoha)

2015-06-22T04:45:42-04:00

Kaga said:

Don't put me together with 5th Carrier Division's kids.

Makes complete sense to me now.

She'll probably be having an "I told you so" moment with the admiral later. :P

@Tk3997 on post #1925435 (kaga, zuikaku, and taigei (kantai collection) drawn by y.ssanoha)

2015-06-04T02:15:56-04:00

OOZ662 said:

My assumption was that the arrow was a blunt practice one, yes.

Blunt is relative, the arrow is still designed to stick into a reasonably dense target medium and flesh is soft. On reflection I frankly feel I undersold the danger. Even the field points from a simple target bow are no joke, they can do this to a skull.

http://images.mid-day.com/images/2015/jan/brijesh-sahani-mri.jpg

That was done by a teenager after someone made the fairly insane decision to apparently have a cricket game going on behind an archery practice. Reconsidering penetration to the bone seems pretty much certain and some level of fracture seems likewise almost assured, really only somewhat less damage then a low velocity bullet. Arrows are no joke, they didn't use them to kill people for thousands of years because they didn't work that well.

Also, I assumed from hearing all the time that .45ACP stands out among common handgun calibers due to being subsonic that most unsuppressed handguns were supersonic these days, but I've never looked into it at all.

I should have perhaps been more specific, many modern handgun loads are somewhat supersonic at the muzzle although rarely by much and if heavier bullets are used they may be subsonic at the muzzle. (This applies to .45 as well, some light loads can be supersonic). Even the ones that start supersonic however don't stay there very long. Within 45 meters basically all of them are subsonic, and many are at the ragged edge within about 20.

That said I did note 'lesser supersonic' ones and that's largely what I meant, just being slightly supersonic doesn't magically hugely increase the temporary cavity. The difference between a slightly supersonic 9mm load and a slightly subsonic .45 ACP in terms of cavity is not massive. Handgun caliber is 99% placebo in any case no handgun really has 'stopping power' unless it hits something important. If it does .32 will drop someone about as quickly as a .357 and if it misses both are going to cause pain and bleeding, but they are not going to stop someone.

@OOZ662 on post #1925435 (kaga, zuikaku, and taigei (kantai collection) drawn by y.ssanoha)

2015-04-27T07:15:01-04:00

My assumption was that the arrow was a blunt practice one, yes.

Also, I assumed from hearing all the time that .45ACP stands out among common handgun calibers due to being subsonic that most unsuppressed handguns were supersonic these days, but I've never looked into it at all.

@Tk3997 on post #1925435 (kaga, zuikaku, and taigei (kantai collection) drawn by y.ssanoha)

2015-04-27T06:48:33-04:00

classicplayer said:

As the comments above mine have written, your comparison doesn't take into account the differences in physics between the two projectiles.

And the comments saying arrows are "less" damaging don't seem to know much about arrowheads or bullets. Most bullets from pistols, shotguns, and even small rifles are subsonic and these are also what cause the overwhelming majority of bullet wounds.

Subsonic rounds (and even lesser supersonic rounds) do not cause signification temporary cavities ('shockwave' damage) due to the obvious lack of a shockwaves associated with lower speed flight. Their damage is entirely the result of the permanent cavity caused by the bullet physically passing through flesh. Particularly in the case of FMJ rounds if they miss bone they rarely fragment, and even if they do hit it fragmentation is far from certain. In fact most expanding ammunition doesn't fragment either, it's designed to expand not fragment after all.

Their is also no real thermal damage involved. The bullet's total thermal energy is low (it's really only the surface that's heated at all) so it quickly loses it to the (mostly water) flesh around it without doing anything but the most infinitesimal localized damage.

The terminal effects of subsonic bullets then are basically similiar to arrows.

True, if the arrow is a blunt practice head intended for shooting at foam or hay bales their assessment may not be wrong, but if it's a hunting or 'war' head they're very, VERY wrong. Arrow heads meant for living targets are basically flying razor blades. They're much wider then any bullet and the slicing action of the sharpened head destroys flesh much more efficiently then the crushing action of blunt nosed bullets. This assures deep penetration as seen by the fact broadheads fried by hunting bows routinely go in one side of a deer's torso and out the other. The wounds they produce in the process are horrific and much wider in area then subsonic bullets, the slicing action in particular tends to cause much more serve internal bleeding and the animals often die very rapidly from blood loss.

@classicplayer on post #1925435 (kaga, zuikaku, and taigei (kantai collection) drawn by y.ssanoha)

2015-04-16T10:06:13-04:00

LucasHidemiKomori said:

A study with 58 patients with gunshot wounds to the shoulder found out that four months after the initial injury, 51 of them were suffering persistent pain due vascular damage and about half of them ended up with partial or complete loss of mobility in their arm.

TL;DR: Yes, even a flesh wound is serious.

As the comments above mine have written, your comparison doesn't take into account the differences in physics between the two projectiles.

@Mithiwithi on post #1925435 (kaga, zuikaku, and taigei (kantai collection) drawn by y.ssanoha)

2015-03-31T03:02:14-04:00

MMaestro said:

Its not a matter of how much it hurts, its the fact that bullets SO fast that the 'shockwave' does permanent damage. And THEN you start talking about things like "molten lead", "jagged pieces of metal" and "that hole where blood was gushing out until help came".

By comparison; typical bow fired arrows travel at such a low speed, that you could take SEVERAL arrows to the shoulder and make a perfect recovery. Unless the arrow was tipped with oil and lit on fire, its not going to burn you. Unless you're unlucky, the arrowhead probably won't break into pieces. And that hole? Plugged up by the arrow itself.

Well, depending on the arrowhead, you may still be dealing with "jagged pieces of metal". The rest of that is on point, though.

@MMaestro on post #1925435 (kaga, zuikaku, and taigei (kantai collection) drawn by y.ssanoha)

2015-03-31T02:50:44-04:00

Blue_Stuff said:

Either way, it'd hurt like hell, no?

Its not a matter of how much it hurts, its the fact that bullets SO fast that the 'shockwave' does permanent damage. And THEN you start talking about things like "molten lead", "jagged pieces of metal" and "that hole where blood was gushing out until help came".

By comparison; typical bow fired arrows travel at such a low speed, that you could take SEVERAL arrows to the shoulder and make a perfect recovery. Unless the arrow was tipped with oil and lit on fire, its not going to burn you. Unless you're unlucky, the arrowhead probably won't break into pieces. And that hole? Plugged up by the arrow itself.

@krossite on post #1925435 (kaga, zuikaku, and taigei (kantai collection) drawn by y.ssanoha)

2015-03-31T02:42:23-04:00

Blue_Stuff said:

Either way, it'd hurt like hell, no?

Hurt like hell,yes. Cause lasting damages long after the wound healed...still yes,but much less so.

@Blue_Stuff on post #1925435 (kaga, zuikaku, and taigei (kantai collection) drawn by y.ssanoha)

2015-03-31T02:23:52-04:00

OOZ662 said:

Arrows don't fragment, bounce around, or impart nearly as much "rippling" energy into surrounding flesh compared to a bullet. I'd compare it more to being stabbed with a thick screwdriver.

Either way, it'd hurt like hell, no?

@OOZ662 on post #1925435 (kaga, zuikaku, and taigei (kantai collection) drawn by y.ssanoha)

2015-03-30T22:10:38-04:00

Arrows don't fragment, bounce around, or impart nearly as much "rippling" energy into surrounding flesh compared to a bullet. I'd compare it more to being stabbed with a thick screwdriver.

@LucasHidemiKomori on post #1925435 (kaga, zuikaku, and taigei (kantai collection) drawn by y.ssanoha)

2015-03-30T21:12:22-04:00

GweAnakJakarta said:

to be frank, I don't understand most of the stuffs written there. can you give me the bottom line, please?

A study with 58 patients with gunshot wounds to the shoulder found out that four months after the initial injury, 51 of them were suffering persistent pain due vascular damage and about half of them ended up with partial or complete loss of mobility in their arm.

TL;DR: Yes, even a flesh wound is serious.

@GweAnakJakarta on post #1925435 (kaga, zuikaku, and taigei (kantai collection) drawn by y.ssanoha)

2015-03-30T05:58:36-04:00

LucasHidemiKomori said:

Dunno about arrows, but gunshot wounds to the shoulder are much more serious than they appear.

to be frank, I don't understand most of the stuffs written there. can you give me the bottom line, please?

@darkspire91 on post #1925435 (kaga, zuikaku, and taigei (kantai collection) drawn by y.ssanoha)

2015-02-19T04:33:51-05:00

Kaga: "The shit I put up with..."

@nabusco on post #1925435 (kaga, zuikaku, and taigei (kantai collection) drawn by y.ssanoha)

2015-02-16T13:26:52-05:00

Never expected to see a Kancolle of that image, thanks internet you never dissapoint

@fuzzygnome on post #1925435 (kaga, zuikaku, and taigei (kantai collection) drawn by y.ssanoha)

2015-02-14T18:15:31-05:00

Pablete said:

^
That euphemism is made up, nothing to do with norse.

I'd even go as far as to say that "Nordic slang" is a tell, like the number 7 or 13 randomly inserted into a fake "scientific fact" - if someone says something is Nordic slang, there's a 100% chance they're having you on.

@Pablete on post #1925435 (kaga, zuikaku, and taigei (kantai collection) drawn by y.ssanoha)

2015-02-13T19:41:03-05:00

^
That euphemism is made up, nothing to do with norse.