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@Andyoats on post #2296756 (iowa, katori, and barack obama (kantai collection) drawn by wangphing)

2019-06-14T08:54:11-04:00

*Tagged as instant-loss 2koma*
*Has three panels*

Hmm...

@NWSiaCB on post #2296756 (iowa, katori, and barack obama (kantai collection) drawn by wangphing)

2017-04-07T19:01:48-04:00

JsTuCkEy said:

After-action reports aren't 100% reliable. Or do you actually believe the IJN engaged cruisers and fleet carriers at Samar?

Actually, only the crew of the Yamato thought they were cruisers and fleet carriers. All the ships actually engaged up close (IJN cruisers and destroyers) knew exactly what they were shooting at.

@JsTuCkEy on post #2296756 (iowa, katori, and barack obama (kantai collection) drawn by wangphing)

2017-04-07T13:43:26-04:00

kibehisa said:

This doesn't help your argument at all.
The After Action Reports of MULTIPLE SHIPS, potentially DOZENS of Eye Witnesses to the event, all independently agreed - multiple major sized holes, which in parlance is damage caused by shellfire of 12 inches or larger diameter, and MANY small holes, which is caused 5 or 6 inch shellfire (which, again, only Iowa and New Jersey reported opening fire on Katori with).
The only source which contested this from the time was the Enterprise's Aviators, who - even if they were actually attacking Katori instead of Naka like it would historically seem - would have been moving too high and too fast to be able to give an accurate appraisal of comparatively tiny holes.
And none of this changes the fact that you are attempting to contest the only possible historical evidence of the event (without actually diving to the shipwreck itself) with a claim that even the Cruisers in question didn't make and you don't even bother to handwave to a historical reference point.

Even if Iowa did score hits on Katori, the cruisers were still the ones to get a bead on her first.

What Iowa did was basically the equivalent of stomping a dying man after your friend had already fatally wounded him.

@kibehisa on post #2296756 (iowa, katori, and barack obama (kantai collection) drawn by wangphing)

2017-03-22T21:20:25-04:00

JsTuCkEy said:

After-action reports aren't 100% reliable. Or do you actually believe the IJN engaged cruisers and fleet carriers at Samar?

This doesn't help your argument at all.
The After Action Reports of MULTIPLE SHIPS, potentially DOZENS of Eye Witnesses to the event, all independently agreed - multiple major sized holes, which in parlance is damage caused by shellfire of 12 inches or larger diameter, and MANY small holes, which is caused 5 or 6 inch shellfire (which, again, only Iowa and New Jersey reported opening fire on Katori with).
The only source which contested this from the time was the Enterprise's Aviators, who - even if they were actually attacking Katori instead of Naka like it would historically seem - would have been moving too high and too fast to be able to give an accurate appraisal of comparatively tiny holes.
And none of this changes the fact that you are attempting to contest the only possible historical evidence of the event (without actually diving to the shipwreck itself) with a claim that even the Cruisers in question didn't make and you don't even bother to handwave to a historical reference point.

@JsTuCkEy on post #2296756 (iowa, katori, and barack obama (kantai collection) drawn by wangphing)

2017-03-22T20:17:23-04:00

kibehisa said:

Actual history clearly states that the USS Iowa and USS New Jersey between them pumped probably a hundred rounds of 5in shells into Katori's hull, with Iowa's own main battery opening up four times and hitting at least 6 times.
The actual after action report claims that close spotters identified 6 major sized holes (12in+) in Katori's hull, about 8 medium sized holes (~8in), and over 30 small sized holes (5 or 6in holes).
Magically those numbers all changed in the 60s to eliminated the large sized holes, but even still the Iowa and New Jersey were the only ships that reported opening fire on Katori with 5in guns, so even the modified numbers don't actually contest the Iowa sinking Katori.
This also ignores the fact that Iowa was granted the recorded first strike on Katori (admittedly, by Floatplane), directly in conflict with the claims by the Enterprise's airgroup (which failed to even describe Katori correctly, instead describing Naka and claiming she was Katori).

After-action reports aren't 100% reliable. Or do you actually believe the IJN engaged cruisers and fleet carriers at Samar?

@kibehisa on post #2296756 (iowa, katori, and barack obama (kantai collection) drawn by wangphing)

2017-01-06T11:52:02-05:00

JsTuCkEy propagates a lie created by battleship detractors in the 1960s to protest the recommissioning of the USS New Jersey

Actual history clearly states that the USS Iowa and USS New Jersey between them pumped probably a hundred rounds of 5in shells into Katori's hull, with Iowa's own main battery opening up four times and hitting at least 6 times.
The actual after action report claims that close spotters identified 6 major sized holes (12in+) in Katori's hull, about 8 medium sized holes (~8in), and over 30 small sized holes (5 or 6in holes).
Magically those numbers all changed in the 60s to eliminated the large sized holes, but even still the Iowa and New Jersey were the only ships that reported opening fire on Katori with 5in guns, so even the modified numbers don't actually contest the Iowa sinking Katori.
This also ignores the fact that Iowa was granted the recorded first strike on Katori (admittedly, by Floatplane), directly in conflict with the claims by the Enterprise's airgroup (which failed to even describe Katori correctly, instead describing Naka and claiming she was Katori).

@JsTuCkEy on post #2296756 (iowa, katori, and barack obama (kantai collection) drawn by wangphing)

2017-01-06T11:08:34-05:00

Angrygenius said:

thats what happens when you try to take on a battleship as a cruiser.

also, this is basically what the real USS Iowa did to the real IJN Katori during WWII

Actually, Katori was sunk by American cruisers. All Iowa did was fire a few rounds at Katori as she went under.

@USS_Brony_Alicorn on post #2296756 (iowa, katori, and barack obama (kantai collection) drawn by wangphing)

2016-11-30T20:52:02-05:00

I seen this in my mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKnbF2uO5lU
that about sums it up.

@USS_Brony_Alicorn on post #2296756 (iowa, katori, and barack obama (kantai collection) drawn by wangphing)

2016-11-30T20:45:30-05:00

Angrygenius said:

thats what happens when you try to take on a battleship as a cruiser.

also, this is basically what the real USS Iowa did to the real IJN Katori during WWII

Made her her bitch?

@Angrygenius on post #2296756 (iowa, katori, and barack obama (kantai collection) drawn by wangphing)

2016-08-17T21:39:21-04:00

thats what happens when you try to take on a battleship as a cruiser.

also, this is basically what the real USS Iowa did to the real IJN Katori during WWII

@Jarlath on post #2296756 (iowa, katori, and barack obama (kantai collection) drawn by wangphing)

2016-03-10T14:07:47-05:00

This sure seems familiar.

@RenerDeCastro on post #2296756 (iowa, katori, and barack obama (kantai collection) drawn by wangphing)

2016-03-08T07:50:37-05:00

Just proves how much of a Democrat she is.

@Wilfriback on post #2296756 (iowa, katori, and barack obama (kantai collection) drawn by wangphing)

2016-03-07T07:58:56-05:00

She really wanted to read Roosevelt.

@Zelinkokitsune on post #2296756 (iowa, katori, and barack obama (kantai collection) drawn by wangphing)

2016-03-07T06:41:56-05:00

YES SHE DID!