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@CodeKyuubi on post #2383261 ( m.a.d mafia is all dead drawn by as109)

2016-06-05T21:49:17-04:00

OOZ662 said:

The difference from the copyright tag is in how detailed the source is. An example (which are also blank-sourced if you look them up...) would be the Nekopara images that are ripped from the games. The copyright is Nekopara, the source should properly be e.g. "Nekopara Vol. 2".

But, you said yourself how it should be done and just flatly stated that you can't be bothered to do it, so obviously there isn't much to be done about it.

I said it is redundant, but can do it if asked to, no need to be snarky.

@OOZ662 on post #2383261 ( m.a.d mafia is all dead drawn by as109)

2016-06-05T21:40:49-04:00

The difference from the copyright tag is in how detailed the source is. An example (which are also blank-sourced if you look them up...) would be the Nekopara images that are ripped from the games. The copyright is Nekopara, the source should properly be e.g. "Nekopara Vol. 2".

But, you said yourself how it should be done and just flatly stated that you can't be bothered to do it, so obviously there isn't much to be done about it.

@CodeKyuubi on post #2383261 ( m.a.d mafia is all dead drawn by as109)

2016-06-05T21:20:09-04:00

OOZ662 said:

As I mentioned before, the last time I linked a similar LN site, they started encrypting their scans within a javascript thingamajig, and started implementing massive downgrades to the quality of the images on their site, completely eliminating it as a usable source for images. The site I'm using right now does also encrypt their images in base64, and changes their encryption very often, but they haven't gotten around to downgrading the quality, and I would rather not test my luck a second time. A sidenote: They literally have spies in popular ripping sites, such that distribution of decrypting software has become a restricted matter.

At most, I can enter in the japanese title of the book (Which is redundant since I tag the copyright, and if not, I put the title in the source panel with a copyright_request tag so someone with better romanizing skills can romanize it) and the publisher (MF Bunko, Kadokawa Shoten, etc).

Feel free to feedback me if you want, but I'll be keeping the source a valid source for images so that people can enjoy them. If people want to pay homage with future sales, they are free to purchase the light novels using any publicly available method, given that I have been making the title/copyright name readily available.

@Lannihan on post #2383261 ( m.a.d mafia is all dead drawn by as109)

2016-06-05T21:17:03-04:00

OOZ662 said:

Part of the problem here is that we have users here with at least two, possibly three different native languages. I mean no insult or disrespect, but I have a hard time trying to figure out what you're saying, Lannihan. And, I don't think Provence wanted something added to the Source box for this image but instead was just complaining (sideways at the uploader) that it didn't have one, which is a valid complaint.

I understand, and I have to delete the post, I will PM my answer then.

@OOZ662 on post #2383261 ( m.a.d mafia is all dead drawn by as109)

2016-06-05T21:09:56-04:00

Part of the problem here is that we have users here with at least two, possibly three different native languages. I mean no insult or disrespect, but I have a hard time trying to figure out what you're saying, Lannihan. And, I don't think Provence wanted something added to the Source box for this image but instead was just complaining (sideways at the uploader) that it didn't have one, which is a valid complaint.

@user_460797 on post #2383261 ( m.a.d mafia is all dead drawn by as109)

2016-06-05T20:48:09-04:00

Lannihan said:

I didn't change anything, I interpret the ways the things has been made and no corrected and established with the HowTo:upload, pointing in the direction as we could change the functionality about the site just applies if I establish "we need a change". Also, that quote was for Provence, because he wants to do something without having the link, and I suggest what most of images in the same situation have, nothing new or out of the rules or the HowTo:upload. When I wrote unilaterally was precisely for that, most of the uploaders just keep it blank or adds the "Image Board" text in them.

Still the best solution to this, is let the source in blank until the uploader confirms the origin or add the link. That why I write first "Eventually as many other images will be linked", because we have not control of the link if we dont know their origin or has any power over the user.

Meh, I only wanted clarification about that feedback. I didn't mention it without some kind of purpose^^.

@Lannihan on post #2383261 ( m.a.d mafia is all dead drawn by as109)

2016-06-05T20:34:57-04:00

I didn't change anything, I interpret the ways the things has been made and no corrected and established with the HowTo:upload, pointing in the direction as we could change the functionality about the site just applies if I establish "we need a change". Also, that quote was for Provence, because he wants to do something without having the link, and I suggest what most of images in the same situation have, nothing new or out of the rules or the HowTo:upload. When I wrote unilaterally was precisely for that, most of the uploaders just keep it blank or adds the "Image Board" text in them.

Still the best solution to this, is let the source in blank until the uploader confirms the origin or add the link. That why I write first "Eventually as many other images will be linked", because we have not control of the link if we dont know their origin or has any power over the user.

@OOZ662 on post #2383261 ( m.a.d mafia is all dead drawn by as109)

2016-06-05T20:07:37-04:00

Remember the "mission statement" for why Danbooru exists; not as a porn site, not an image-hosting site (Imgur), not as a doujin/manga dumping site (e-hentai), not even as a place just to post artwork (DeviantArt). Danbooru is supposed to be a gallery of high quality artwork from the second-hand. Sourcing is just as important as tagging as it is not only giving credit, attribution, and possible future sales to the place where, bluntly, the work was stolen from, but it provides a "paper trail" to follow for images taken from a place other than their original place of publication in case higher or lower quality versions are found. Places that "can't" be sourced either very obviously don't want their work posted here (beyond the usually-ignored "don't repost my work" statement) or can be at least somewhat sourced by a plain-text word or sentence. Insinuating that providing a source for an image is somehow "spoon feeding" users is absurd; unless you're uploading images from a decades-old archive CD of random pictures, you probably have the source for the image right there for copy-pasting when you're uploading it. Just filling out the copyright doesn't make a remark for whether the image is, for instance, from the game itself, or perhaps a folder on the CD, or maybe a special edition DLC extra, or a scan from an artbook, or even just a fanart entirely separate from the publication. One could come up with a swath of extra tags to represent these things...or they could just source the image.

Lannihan said:

As several users do, they unilaterally uses the:

1) Image Board
2) Title of the Anime, Game, Movie or Series related
3) Title of the Article, Comic or Doujinshi

So choose one of them if there isn't link yet.

The source isn't meant to point you in a vague direction of where the image came from unless it absolutely must be that way such as a place where sources disappear (4chan used to be this way, I assume they still are). Only the uploader truly knows exactly where the image came from unless a user can find a place where the exact same image exists: the same resolution and checksum hash. This is why it's important for the uploader to supply the source and why you can't just "choose one" of a list of possible sources without doing software comparison.

If, as an uploader, you don't want someone knocking on your Feedback door, just add the source to your uploads. It's not difficult to be precise. Or, you can start up a thread on the Forum and see if the consensus exists for changing how the site works.

@user_460797 on post #2383261 ( m.a.d mafia is all dead drawn by as109)

2016-06-05T18:38:55-04:00

CodeKyuubi said:

How is that any different from properly filling out the copyright? We aren't here to fulfill your OCD, if the image is properly documented with the copyright, despite being a personal scan or from a source you aren't allowed to source from, then people can work their way back from there instead of asking to be spoonfed.

Well, let's see what the mod is saying.
I'm just reproducing the feedback's content.

@Lannihan on post #2383261 ( m.a.d mafia is all dead drawn by as109)

2016-06-05T18:36:17-04:00

If you ask me, I would put the name of the game, because as Codekyuubi says, the artist produces a lot of images directly from the game, so, I think that copyright must be used.

Honestly I don't know about a lot of this kind of games, so I didn't post Image Board or any link posted in the artist Wiki.

@CodeKyuubi on post #2383261 ( m.a.d mafia is all dead drawn by as109)

2016-06-05T18:35:24-04:00

Provence said:

Especially the bold part, that's the feedback I speak of:

"I've mentioned it in post comments before; you need to source your uploads. howto:upload has a section on how to properly source images; even if they come from a scan you made, the title of the publication should be listed. The source box should never be blank."
So if it's from a game: How about to mention the game's title in the source field?

How is that any different from properly filling out the copyright? We aren't here to fulfill your OCD, if the image is properly documented with the copyright, despite being a personal scan or from a source you aren't allowed to source from, then people can work their way back from there instead of asking to be spoonfed.

@user_460797 on post #2383261 ( m.a.d mafia is all dead drawn by as109)

2016-06-05T18:33:16-04:00

Lannihan said:

As several users do, they unilaterally uses the:

1) Image Board
2) Title of the Anime, Game, Movie or Series related
3) Title of the Article, Comic or Doujinshi

So choose one of them if there isn't link yet.

Well, then add the title or simply Image Board (if I go after the mod's feedback). Still better than nothing.

@Lannihan on post #2383261 ( m.a.d mafia is all dead drawn by as109)

2016-06-05T18:31:49-04:00

Provence said:

Especially the bold part, that's the feedback I speak of:

"I've mentioned it in post comments before; you need to source your uploads. howto:upload has a section on how to properly source images; even if they come from a scan you made, the title of the publication should be listed. The source box should never be blank."
So if it's from a game: How about to mention the game's title in the source field?

As several users do, they unilaterally uses the:

1) Image Board
2) Title of the Anime, Game, Movie or Series related
3) Title of the Article, Comic or Doujinshi

So choose one of them if there isn't link yet.

@user_460797 on post #2383261 ( m.a.d mafia is all dead drawn by as109)

2016-06-05T18:26:20-04:00

CodeKyuubi said:

As far as I know, most of the MAD images from as109 are ripped from the game itself. There are honestly places that you can't source, or don't want to source (I once directly sourced a site I used to get images from and then they started encrypting the images and reducing the image quality and resolution to shit because of the extra traffic).

Especially the bold part, that's the feedback I speak of:

"I've mentioned it in post comments before; you need to source your uploads. howto:upload has a section on how to properly source images; even if they come from a scan you made, the title of the publication should be listed. The source box should never be blank."
So if it's from a game: How about to mention the game's title in the source field?

@CodeKyuubi on post #2383261 ( m.a.d mafia is all dead drawn by as109)

2016-06-05T18:22:42-04:00

As far as I know, most of the MAD images from as109 are ripped from the game itself. There are honestly places that you can't source, or don't want to source (I once directly sourced a site I used to get images from and then they started encrypting the images and reducing the image quality and resolution to shit because of the extra traffic).

@FWP on post #2383261 ( m.a.d mafia is all dead drawn by as109)

2016-06-05T15:06:50-04:00

Provence said:

Well, there are users who get a neutral feedback if it isn't posted with the source.
And if this user has the image, then of course they know. They had to get the image from somewhere.

They could have found it on a image board, forum or another booru without source.

@user_460797 on post #2383261 ( m.a.d mafia is all dead drawn by as109)

2016-06-05T14:52:28-04:00

Lannihan said:

For know it was uploaded in the site, our limits are here, and we don't have the link, so let someone who knows from where is the image to post in the source. Doesn't have any sense to discuss something if we will don't give any concrete solution.

Calling @OOZ662 here since he was the one who gave this feedback not too long ago.
This feedback kept bothering me but I still see posts (including some of my uploads) with no source.

@Lannihan on post #2383261 ( m.a.d mafia is all dead drawn by as109)

2016-06-05T14:46:16-04:00

For know it was uploaded in the site, our limits are here, and we don't have the link, so let someone who knows from where is the image to post in the source. Doesn't have any sense to discuss something if we will don't give any concrete solution.

@user_460797 on post #2383261 ( m.a.d mafia is all dead drawn by as109)

2016-06-05T14:38:32-04:00

Lannihan said:

Isn't obligatory in the moment, if you dont know where the image is from. Eventually as many other images will be linked, thats why we are here too.

Well, there are users who get a neutral feedback if it isn't posted with the source.
And if this user has the image, then of course they know. They had to get the image from somewhere.

@Lannihan on post #2383261 ( m.a.d mafia is all dead drawn by as109)

2016-06-05T14:35:45-04:00

Isn't obligatory in the moment, if you dont know where the image is from. Eventually as many other images will be linked, thats why we are here too.