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@Lick_King on post #2452301 (warspite (kantai collection) drawn by konishi_(koconatu))

2017-11-16T09:44:46-05:00

Call me weird, but the thing I like the most about this design is that mast fashioned into a scepter.

@ChaosFox on post #2452301 (warspite (kantai collection) drawn by konishi_(koconatu))

2017-04-22T22:37:14-04:00

Would definitely love to see interaction between her and, if implemented, "The Mighty T" - USS Texas.

@Steak on post #2452301 (warspite (kantai collection) drawn by konishi_(koconatu))

2016-08-20T12:11:48-04:00

I wonder how her kai artwork will look? She's so clean and elegant here, but in real life she had more than her fair share of scarring.

@Magus on post #2452301 (warspite (kantai collection) drawn by konishi_(koconatu))

2016-08-16T13:39:59-04:00

I wonder if we'll be getting Warspite's sisters eventually.

@ChaosZodiark on post #2452301 (warspite (kantai collection) drawn by konishi_(koconatu))

2016-08-14T21:23:48-04:00

Came for the picture, stayed for the massive lesson on a few things. Jaysus you people.

@zgryphon on post #2452301 (warspite (kantai collection) drawn by konishi_(koconatu))

2016-08-14T17:51:52-04:00

tararan said:

No, she's just reminding us of a time gone by.

Which makes a certain amount of sense, if you take into account both the lineage of the name (which others have remarked on) and the fact that the Queen Elizabeth the 1914 battleship class was named after was the first Queen Elizabeth, 1533-1603 (r. 1558-1603). After all, neither of the two later Queens Elizabeth had happened yet--the younger hadn't been born, and the elder wouldn't be queen consort until her husband became King George VI in 1936.

@Minimin on post #2452301 (warspite (kantai collection) drawn by konishi_(koconatu))

2016-08-14T15:12:54-04:00

Random_Fanguy said:

I know nothing about her or her history but I expect a detailed comment explaining all that in the future.

What I do know is that she's super pretty and I can't wait to see what the artists do with her.

Construction: Queen Elizabeth class battleship, first British ships with the 15" guns.

Nickname: Grand Old Lady, received from Admiral Cunningham CinC ANXF on 18th July 1943 thanks to message 'Operation well carried out. There is no question when the old lady lifts her skirts she can run.'

Battle honours:
Jutland 1916 - Engaged German High Seas Fleet as part of battle line. Took 15 hits from 12" and 11" guns to moderate effect (speed temporarily limited to 16kts, restored by DC to 22kts after action; thrust bearing damage permanently affecting steering engine). Engaged and possibly hit KM BB Lutzow (later scuttled). Attracted fire from GER BB line, preventing HMS Warrior from being taking further hits (Warrior later abandoned).

Atlantic 1939 - Escort duty, as you might expect.

Narvik 1940 + Norway 1940 - Sank U-64 with Fairey Swordfish L9767 (Only recorded instance of BB spotter plane sinking SS, 2nd instance of BB sinking SS after USS New York). Hit Z13 Erich Koellner (scuttled), Z17 Diether von Roeder (scuttled), Z12 Erich Giese (sunk by DD).

Mediterranean 1940-1941 - Bombarded Bardia, escorted convoys in Operation Excess, bombarded Vlorë supply base, bombarded Tripoli.

Calabria 1940 - Hit BB Giulio Cesare at 24+ km, arguably longest recorded hit by BB to date.

Taranto 1940 - Escort duty for fleet.

Cape Matapan 1941 - Sank RN CA Fiume, heavy damage to RN CA Zara (later sunk by HMS Jervis), disabled DD Vittorio Alfieri (later sunk by HMS Stuart), disabled DD Giosué Carducci (later sunk by HMS Havock)

Crete 1941 - Hit by 250 KG SAP from Bf109 of 111/Jg 77; lost part of starboard 6", damage to a boiler room, speed reduced to 18kts. Provided medical assistance to HMS Orion.

Indian Ocean 1942-1943 - Convoy and fleet escort duties.

Mediterranean 1943-1944 + Salerno 1943 + Sicily 1943 - Bombarded Catania during 8th Army attack. Bombarded + provided NGFS at Reggio assault. Provided NFGS at Salerno. Escorted RN vessels after Italian surrender. Hit by 1x and near-missed by 2x FX 1400 glider bombs, lost all power + X and Y turrets, permanent loss of X turret and No. 4 boiler room.

Normandy 1944 + English Channel 1944 + Biscay 1944 + Walcheren 1944 - Provided NFGS at Normandy (Sword Beach incl. Villerville & Franceville). Hit influence mine near Harwich, lost all propulsion, 1 permanently. Provided NFGS at Le Havre + Westkapelle.

Sauce: http://www.naval-history.net/xGM-Chrono-01BB-Warspite.htm

@Shebadotfr on post #2452301 (warspite (kantai collection) drawn by konishi_(koconatu))

2016-08-14T12:15:47-04:00

laisy said:

Just like the confusion over if "Milo" should be pronounced as "my-lo" or "me-lo" in Malaysia in the older generation. This often happens when you are not very well versed in that language and tried to read an unfamiliar word, especially if that language have multiple ways to pronounce.

Shit gonna be fun when it gonna be French's turn. With all dem accents, and mute consonants and vowels.

@laisy on post #2452301 (warspite (kantai collection) drawn by konishi_(koconatu))

2016-08-14T03:19:33-04:00

tincancarrier said:

I think it's easier to interpret this as an honest mistake on the VA's part. An honest, non-critical guess on my part is that someone who doesn't know what Admiral is supposed to sound sees the "I' and assume it's pronounced -ai, like the letter sound.

Just like the confusion over if "Milo" should be pronounced as "my-lo" or "me-lo" in Malaysia in the older generation. This often happens when you are not very well versed in that language and tried to read an unfamiliar word, especially if that language have multiple ways to pronounce.

@tincancarrier on post #2452301 (warspite (kantai collection) drawn by konishi_(koconatu))

2016-08-14T02:46:20-04:00

NNescio said:

[Citation needed]

And if you're going by the image harped upon on Reddit and provided by Sumeragi earlier, it is from the "A complete dictionary of the English language, : both with regard to sound and meaning" by Thomas Sheridan, Volume I (1790 edition). Page ix indicates clearly that "y" in the pronunciation guide indicates a short 'ee' sound. The diphtong 'ai' is indicated by "i" with a 2 over it (2nd sound of i) instead, as indicated on Page iii of the same book.

The pronunciation entry for 'admiral' is /a(1)d'-my(1)-ra(1)l'/. This is pronounced as "ÆD-mee-ræl" (æ is like the a in hat), with the ee being short, with stress on the first syllable.

Compare this to the pronunciation entry for 'admire' (on the SAME FRIGGIN' page, really), which is indicated as /a(1)d-mi(2)'re/. This is pronounced as "æd-MAI-uh". The location of the stress is even completely different.

I found my danbooru password just to comment on this.

There has been historical references to the term "Admiral." The easiest example is Malory's Morte D'Arthur (1400ish), an example of which can be seen here.

And then Sir Launcelot with such knights as he had, and men of war to the number of ten thousand, put them in array, and met with them, and fought with them manly, and slew and cut to pieces many of the Romans, and slew many knights and admirals of the party of the Romans and Saracens.

Admiral here would have been pronounced Ad-mi/yr-ral, like the arabic term "Emir," which is what we think one potential source for where the word comes from. Exactly whether it's really from Latin or French, the jury's still seriously out, but I've gotten curious and looked through both Webster's 1824 edition and an early 19th century dictionary. The pronunciation is the same as the modern one. If anyone can provide a source for that British pronunciation, I'd love to see it too.

I think it's easier to interpret this as an honest mistake on the VA's part. An honest, non-critical guess on my part is that someone who doesn't know what Admiral is supposed to sound sees the "I' and assume it's pronounced -ai, like the letter sound. Listening to the rest of her speech, listen to how she slurs some words together or the infection on certain words such as "angry" or "later." Those certainly don't sound like native English (American English, from my PoV) from my perspective, but again, this is only one opinion.

It doesn't detract at all from the overall great quality of the voice acting, but I think the evidence here is much more suggestive of a small error rather than some hidden depth of brilliance.

@NNescio on post #2452301 (warspite (kantai collection) drawn by konishi_(koconatu))

2016-08-13T22:21:54-04:00

Panzercracker said:

Ad-my-ral is actually 18th century English was spoke by British seaman and marine. Current admiral is modern pronounce. The only thing she can't pronounce is Fusou (sound like Soo), and Roma is a bit off.

[Citation needed]

And if you're going by the image harped upon on Reddit and provided by Sumeragi earlier, it is from the "A complete dictionary of the English language, : both with regard to sound and meaning" by Thomas Sheridan, Volume I (1790 edition). Page ix indicates clearly that "y" in the pronunciation guide indicates a short 'ee' sound. The diphtong 'ai' is indicated by "i" with a 2 over it (2nd sound of i) instead, as indicated on Page iii of the same book.

The pronunciation entry for 'admiral' is /a(1)d'-my(1)-ra(1)l'/. This is pronounced as "ÆD-mee-ræl" (æ is like the a in hat), with the ee being short, with stress on the first syllable.

Compare this to the pronunciation entry for 'admire' (on the SAME FRIGGIN' page, really), which is indicated as /a(1)d-mi(2)'re/. This is pronounced as "æd-MAI-uh". The location of the stress is even completely different.

@Panzercracker on post #2452301 (warspite (kantai collection) drawn by konishi_(koconatu))

2016-08-13T21:46:54-04:00

Farran said:

Sorry, accidentally voted down your comment when trying to respond.

Anyway Iowa speaks in very... BAD English. It's like Kongou-tier but more noticeable since she speaks in more English phrases than Kongou, if you can wrap your head around that.

But this new shipgirl has surprisingly amazing English... besides that mangled "admiral" but hacing a score of 90% is better than most other "English" speakers could claim.

Now to see if that can carry over in all of her lines...

Ad-my-ral is actually 18th century English was spoke by British seaman and marine. Current admiral is modern pronounce. The only thing she can't pronounce is Fusou (sound like Soo), and Roma is a bit off.

@g3gen on post #2452301 (warspite (kantai collection) drawn by konishi_(koconatu))

2016-08-13T21:21:39-04:00

The most decorated warship in the Royal Navy...and yet first time I've heard about this.

Most of the documentaries I have seen on WWII Europe was all about the big land and air battles. Seemed like the Navies, American and British didn't get the press of the Pacific side.

@Schmaelturm on post #2452301 (warspite (kantai collection) drawn by konishi_(koconatu))

2016-08-13T17:04:34-04:00

Now we just need another German shipgirl introduced and for Nami Miyahara to be the voice actor

@firefly99 on post #2452301 (warspite (kantai collection) drawn by konishi_(koconatu))

2016-08-13T16:41:38-04:00

Konishi, as always, is on the ball.

@Shebadotfr on post #2452301 (warspite (kantai collection) drawn by konishi_(koconatu))

2016-08-13T16:39:18-04:00

MaxAndEmilytate said:

Then you could say the same of Shigure who kept being the luck vampire for those she was with too, like in the Curbstomp of Vella Gulf or the Slaughter of Surigao Strait.

The small difference is that Shigure NEVER pulled a WARE AOBA . IIRC, at Vella Gulf, the torpedo that hit her was a dud. While at Surigao, the Americans shot at the biggest target on spotted by their radars, Yamashiro. It's hardly Shigure's fault in both cases.

@nayami on post #2452301 (warspite (kantai collection) drawn by konishi_(koconatu))

2016-08-13T14:30:10-04:00

Searchwanted said:

But seriously, how shitty is Iowa's English?

You don't get to hear most of the Engrish all the time, but "most volleyball" can get grating since she's good at getting the MVP.

@Searchwanted on post #2452301 (warspite (kantai collection) drawn by konishi_(koconatu))

2016-08-13T08:12:56-04:00

jusu said:

No, you didn't bold or italicized it.

But seriously, how shitty is Iowa's English?

@MaxAndEmilytate on post #2452301 (warspite (kantai collection) drawn by konishi_(koconatu))

2016-08-13T06:29:24-04:00

Tk3997 said:

because she was "tough" in a way similiar to someone wandering into traffic and being hit by a truck, and surviving with crippling injuries is. Yeah she managed to scrap by a number of times, but it often seemed more by blind luck and at the expense of others then due to any skill on her part. She was a survivor, but not much of a fighter... because she was constantly being mauled and having to be repaired until finally she was so messed up she couldn't even BE repaired effectively anymore. (Savo was her ONE moment and even then the other ships did more then she did)

I mean just look at quick summary:
-Mauled and cost several other ships their lives when she fucks up at Cape Esperance, spends the better part of six months out of action
-Barely over a month after returning to the forward area she's hit by bomber while in port, her torpedoes explode and she actually sinks, but is beached and refloated. She's gone for about eight months this time, between this damage and the shells tearing up her engine at Esperance her speed is permanently reduced. This basically reduces her to escort duties which she undertakes out of Singapore into 1944.
-Manages to collide with Kinu though the damage was minor luckily
-But then promptly wanders into a submarine torpedo later that month and is crippled again, then is bombed while they're trying to repair the damage in the forward area
-They send her off with Kumano and a convoy cause she's clearly boned if she stays, she manages to escape mostly via the swarm of submarines that attack all going for the larger ship and crippling her
-Manages to limp back to Japan, but is so fucked up by this point she's deemed beyond economical repair and is declared a reserve ship.

Yeah she survived allot of damage, but it's not like that damage was coming from being engaged in important battles or pitched actions.

Then you could say the same of Shigure who kept being the luck vampire for those she was with too, like in the Curbstomp of Vella Gulf or the Slaughter of Surigao Strait.

@homegrownhero on post #2452301 (warspite (kantai collection) drawn by konishi_(koconatu))

2016-08-13T05:37:27-04:00

So does she get to sortie sitting down unlike everyone else?
Such dignity, we pale in comparison