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@Siegfriedo_ExMachina on post #2537147 (clownpiece (touhou) drawn by mefomefo)

2016-11-18T22:48:44-05:00

Labped said:

Trump is president now. So.... explosion ending confirm?

Looks like all you rised...
*sunglasses
a death flag

@commode7x on post #2537147 (clownpiece (touhou) drawn by mefomefo)

2016-11-10T13:20:05-05:00

Steak said:

It is not. If anything, that's what's going to kill the country when everyone starts doing their own thing and objectivity is utterly lost.

I remember during the early 2000s, while Republicans were last in complete power in the House, Senate, and White House, roving bands of religious zealots went around, claiming to be CIA/FBI agents. They would "inspect" server farms and delete any data they deemed to be against whatever cause they were fighting for. Anyone that protested got flashed a badge and were threatened with arrest.

Some of the groups actually "arrested" the staff, effectively kidnapping them while they destroyed the servers. The sites reported it on their blogs and were shut down completely shortly thereafter.

@Yuujin-A on post #2537147 (clownpiece (touhou) drawn by mefomefo)

2016-11-10T06:39:00-05:00

This is why I love danbooru.

@NWSiaCB on post #2537147 (clownpiece (touhou) drawn by mefomefo)

2016-11-10T01:08:55-05:00

BrokenEagle98 said:

There's a huge difference between cold-war tensions and now. It's been over 20 years since there was any serious consideration of having to use nuclear weapons.

Military members are also not kept in isolation. With no threat of imminent attack from any nuclear-armed country evident nowadays, one would question the validity of an order wondering if it was perhaps a mistake.

Also, there's a huge difference between training to shoot a target on a range and taking the life of another human being, just as there's a huge difference between training to turn the key, and actually going through with it knowing that your actions may end up killing everything you have ever known and loved, including all life as we know it.

They absolutely do keep soldiers in underground bunkers and give them constant readiness tests to see that they are ready and willing to nuke the world at a moment's notice with no difference from how they were trained in the 60's. (They even use the same, ludicrously obsolete, equipment.)

In fact, things are even more ludicrously risky than before, as the knowledge of how obsolete they are has drained morale from the units. There have been repeated scandals involving cheating on tests about safety precautions, as well as findings of rampant drug abuse. The nuclear arms are in the hands of people who are coked up and ready to shoot at anything, regardless of knowing what button actually aims the missile.

You may think it's been forgotten and that things must have surely changed, but that doesn't make it so.

@BrokenEagle98 on post #2537147 (clownpiece (touhou) drawn by mefomefo)

2016-11-09T15:02:43-05:00

There's a huge difference between cold-war tensions and now. It's been over 20 years since there was any serious consideration of having to use nuclear weapons.

Military members are also not kept in isolation. With no threat of imminent attack from any nuclear-armed country evident nowadays, one would question the validity of an order wondering if it was perhaps a mistake.

Also, there's a huge difference between training to shoot a target on a range and taking the life of another human being, just as there's a huge difference between training to turn the key, and actually going through with it knowing that your actions may end up killing everything you have ever known and loved, including all life as we know it.

@NWSiaCB on post #2537147 (clownpiece (touhou) drawn by mefomefo)

2016-11-09T14:48:24-05:00

Cliff_Edge said:

He only had a filibuster-proof 60-vote majority in the Senate for about seven weeks in 2009.

The Minnesota and national Republicans fought tooth and nail in court to keep Al Franken out of the Senate for as long as possible, and when he was finally able to get to work Obama had to appease the blue dog Democrats by castrating the health care reform bill in order for them to allow it to come up for a vote, lest they join the GOP in killing it through filibuster.

Then Ted Kennedy died, and with him the Democrats' ability to pass bills in the Senate without first getting Republican permission to put the bills up for a vote in the first place.

The capacity to filibuster isn't a majority. The statement I was responding to was this:

Streichkonzert said:

Trump's "opponents" don't really have a majority anywhere, unlike Obama's "opponents". So the situation isn't really comparable.

(And nobody expects the filibuster to remain as soon as the next term starts...)

@Saladofstones on post #2537147 (clownpiece (touhou) drawn by mefomefo)

2016-11-09T14:48:22-05:00

I think the most amazing thing is that Pennsylvania went red.

If it wasn't for that complete idiot of a VP, I'd be okay with this. Hillary lost me with the wikileaks of the DNC, especially the Tacobowl comment.

Anyone that cynical about her base, not showing up the night of, everything else, makes me feel really uncomfortable about her in office.

Trump is the result of the disconnect between the urban and rural sectors of america. Not even a matter of being uneducated, but shit is beyond fucked right now and its only going to get worse.

I think the greatest victory, personally, is how much the GOP elite completely suffered the consequence of being out of touch with their base.

If anyone expects a populist surge to be well-versed on the facts (everything from the Anti-Mason party, Bullmoose, 99 percent, Gamergate) is missing the point.

Whether or not anything productive happens from this is to be seen, but between this and Brexit its two major victories for populism against the political machine.

the_redstar_swl said:
The main nuclear concern I see, aside from the president-elect being unhinged, is that the Iranians are surely going to accelerate their nuclear bomb program now (as North Korea has shown you can get away with it), meaning that the Saudis and Pakistan will likely make their nuclear sharing program official in response, both of which will result in the Israelis inevitably increasing their stockpiles.

With the diminishing influence of the Ayatollah (which America put in to begin with), this is less of a concern. Iran basically said they are worried about America going isolationist from this since they want to have more of an economic relationship.

Outside of the radical Islamist movement, Iran is pretty pro-west and its not like North Korea where the average citizen is so fanatic and deprived that they will do anything for the party line, there is an existing political infrastructure that is not keen on becoming martyr's for the Ayatollah's sake.

Its not like Hillary was going to stop the Saudis from doing what they want, anyways, and Pakistan is more liable to attack India or Iran than they are to give more than the token "death to Israel" support.

@Cliff_Edge on post #2537147 (clownpiece (touhou) drawn by mefomefo)

2016-11-09T14:06:01-05:00

NWSiaCB said:

Actually, Obama had a majority for his first two years.

He only had a filibuster-proof 60-vote majority in the Senate for about seven weeks in 2009.

The Minnesota and national Republicans fought tooth and nail in court to keep Al Franken out of the Senate for as long as possible, and when he was finally able to get to work Obama had to appease the blue dog Democrats by castrating the health care reform bill in order for them to allow it to come up for a vote, lest they join the GOP in killing it through filibuster.

Then Ted Kennedy died, and with him the Democrats' ability to pass bills in the Senate without first getting Republican permission to put the bills up for a vote in the first place.

@the_redstar_swl on post #2537147 (clownpiece (touhou) drawn by mefomefo)

2016-11-09T13:37:49-05:00

BrokenEagle98 said:

Everybody's freaked out about nukes, but really, I ask why...?

The main nuclear concern I see, aside from the president-elect being unhinged, is that the Iranians are surely going to accelerate their nuclear bomb program now (as North Korea has shown you can get away with it), meaning that the Saudis and Pakistan will likely make their nuclear sharing program official in response, both of which will result in the Israelis inevitably increasing their stockpiles.

@NWSiaCB on post #2537147 (clownpiece (touhou) drawn by mefomefo)

2016-11-09T13:31:34-05:00

Streichkonzert said:

Obama had much less power, though.
Trump's "opponents" don't really have a majority anywhere, unlike Obama's "opponents". So the situation isn't really comparable.

Actually, Obama had a majority for his first two years. Then he lost it in the midterms because far fewer Democrats vote in midterms.

BrokenEagle98 said:

Everybody's freaked out about nukes, but really, I ask why...?

It's not like Trump will get a button that will automatically launch nukes. There's a human trigger puller at the end of every one of those nukes. Before it even gets that far, there's a human in the loop that would even relay those orders.

A human that is selected and trained to unquestioningly follow those orders because in the event of a real nuclear attack, there are only 4 minutes to respond. They don't have time to inform the entire chain of command, they are ordered to assume the people above them know what they are doing.

When you hear about "who handles a 3 AM phone call," there was a time it really happened, although the one answering it was National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski, who was going to wake the President up before a second call came in.

BrokenEagle98 said:

It's the same reason why he couldn't just decide to invade Canada for instance... there is no member of the military that would obey such an unlawful order, especially without any provocation.

The President isn't as powerful as most people think. Look at how much Obama was held in check, or how effective some of his Executive Orders were, such as closing Guantanimo...

"Commander in Chief" means something. Large-scale ignoring of orders would essentially force a military coup, or risk the US armed forces to be ordered to fight against itself.

And Obama couldn't close Gitmo with a law passed against his moving prisoners onto US soil since that was a domestic issue, but he does have the authority to kill pretty much literally anybody in the world outside the US without ever needing to give a reason or acknowledge he even did it through drone strikes thanks to the unprecedented lackadaisical authority given to the President to "wage war" on anyone, anywhere so long as they CALL it "terrorism" if anyone asks.

Keep in mind, this is the list of wars America has fought in, and yet Congress only officially sanctioned 11.

@user_460797 on post #2537147 (clownpiece (touhou) drawn by mefomefo)

2016-11-09T13:14:13-05:00

BrokenEagle98 said:

Everybody's freaked out about nukes, but really, I ask why...?

It's not like Trump will get a button that will automatically launch nukes. There's a human trigger puller at the end of every one of those nukes. Before it even gets that far, there's a human in the loop that would even relay those orders.

It's the same reason why he couldn't just decide to invade Canada for instance... there is no member of the military that would obey such an unlawful order, especially without any provocation.

The President isn't as powerful as most people think. Look at how much Obama was held in check, or how effective some of his Executive Orders were, such as closing Guantanimo...

Obama had much less power, though.
Trump's "opponents" don't really have a majority anywhere, unlike Obama's "opponents". So the situation isn't really comparable.

@BrokenEagle98 on post #2537147 (clownpiece (touhou) drawn by mefomefo)

2016-11-09T13:07:04-05:00

Everybody's freaked out about nukes, but really, I ask why...?

It's not like Trump will get a button that will automatically launch nukes. There's a human trigger puller at the end of every one of those nukes. Before it even gets that far, there's a human in the loop that would even relay those orders.

It's the same reason why he couldn't just decide to invade Canada for instance... there is no member of the military that would obey such an unlawful order, especially without any provocation.

The President isn't as powerful as most people think. Look at how much Obama was held in check, or how effective some of his Executive Orders were, such as closing Guantanimo...

@the_redstar_swl on post #2537147 (clownpiece (touhou) drawn by mefomefo)

2016-11-09T12:53:18-05:00

Keo said:

Worse thing that could happen would be him bring back SOPA but with a bigger vengence(i.e the government gets a cut of the money from the lawsuits and China level censorship) but the only thing that'll probably happen is Gay marriage being thrown back into the gutter, abortion now super illegal and the women gets punish for it, any and all healthcare that came with obamacare will of course be scrapped(hell let's just say everything with Obama's name will be scratch. Maybe they'll even just erase him from all history and text to keep the c-c-c-comboooo).

But luckily things like Jim Crow Laws and repealing women's rights is still impossible....for now. But of course there are always ways around those pesky things.

I'm betting on a Patriot Act 2.0.

@NWSiaCB on post #2537147 (clownpiece (touhou) drawn by mefomefo)

2016-11-09T12:01:56-05:00

Keo said:

Trump might not, but don't forget who his VP and who the Congress are. Even Trump said that he don't plan on actually doing all that much of the work(like a real boss) so the furthest he would go would be just signing the things the GOP give him too.

But luckily, you might be right on some parts. Because of how much the GOP acted like a shithead to him during the election, Trump might actually pay them back and screw them all over(his main motto is revenge). Not to mention his whole shtick was him running as an outsider and fighting the establishment.

I could give less of a shit of course since I did my civic duties and had my voice heard, and the majority won but if there is such entertainment value in this I would not mind.

Hell. Trump could appoint Judge Judy for supreme court for all I care really.

If there's any mandate here, it's as much against the Republican establishment as anything. There's a reason many of the elected Republicans were spineless enough to endorse, then unendorse, then REendorse Trump, depending upon his poll numbers and rate of death threats. The Republican party is pants-shittingly terrified of Trump voters.

But yes, there's an expectation that Trump will demand the ousting of Paul Ryan as speaker in favor of someone loyal to him.

@Keo on post #2537147 (clownpiece (touhou) drawn by mefomefo)

2016-11-09T11:45:50-05:00

NWSiaCB said:

Actually, gay marriage is the one thing Trump never did turn against.

It's a matter of the Supreme Court for many of those things, though...

Maybe we'll get lucky, and he actually WILL appoint his sister to the Court just because it's the first person he knows, though. Believe it or not, his sister is a fairly respected federal court judge not outwardly known for being terribly politically partisan.

Trump might not, but don't forget who his VP and who the Congress are. Even Trump said that he don't plan on actually doing all that much of the work(like a real boss) so the furthest he would go would be just signing the things the GOP give him too.

But luckily, you might be right on some parts. Because of how much the GOP acted like a shithead to him during the election, Trump might actually pay them back and screw them all over(his main motto is revenge). Not to mention his whole shtick was him running as an outsider and fighting the establishment.

I could give less of a shit of course since I did my civic duties and had my voice heard, and the majority won but if there is such entertainment value in this I would not mind.

Hell. Trump could appoint Judge Judy for supreme court for all I care really.

@NWSiaCB on post #2537147 (clownpiece (touhou) drawn by mefomefo)

2016-11-09T11:37:44-05:00

Keo said:

Worse thing that could happen would be him bring back SOPA but with a bigger vengence(i.e the government gets a cut of the money from the lawsuits and China level censorship) but the only thing that'll probably happen is Gay marriage being thrown back into the gutter, abortion now super illegal and the women gets punish for it, any and all healthcare that came with obamacare will of course be scrapped(hell let's just say everything with Obama's name will be scratch. Maybe they'll even just erase him from all history and text to keep the c-c-c-comboooo).

But luckily things like Jim Crow Laws and repealing women's rights is still impossible....for now. But of course there are always ways around those pesky things.

Actually, gay marriage is the one thing Trump never did turn against.

It's a matter of the Supreme Court for many of those things, though...

Maybe we'll get lucky, and he actually WILL appoint his sister to the Court just because it's the first person he knows, though. Believe it or not, his sister is a fairly respected federal court judge not outwardly known for being terribly politically partisan.

@solisel on post #2537147 (clownpiece (touhou) drawn by mefomefo)

2016-11-09T11:33:03-05:00

So when hanging off the edge off a hole in the underworld, the option was to either climb back into Hades or fall into Tartarus.

It seems the electoral college had sweaty hands.

@rom_collector on post #2537147 (clownpiece (touhou) drawn by mefomefo)

2016-11-09T11:30:56-05:00

As much as we could complain, the US citizens have made their choice. They can't complain about their own election system being rigged either, it's clearly visible it wasn't. So we let them have it and as for us outsiders be prepared for whatever will come. We could have done the same if Clinton was elected anyway. That's how democracy works.

@Keo on post #2537147 (clownpiece (touhou) drawn by mefomefo)

2016-11-09T11:26:40-05:00

NegativeSoul said:

Our greatest strength is our artistic freedom. Trump may have won but he doesn't have the right to take that from us as long as we don't let him. If he doesn't like being made fun off then he needs to do a better job of controlling himself. But artists and writers will not stop just because it makes him feel bad.

Worse thing that could happen would be him bring back SOPA but with a bigger vengence(i.e the government gets a cut of the money from the lawsuits and China level censorship) but the only thing that'll probably happen is Gay marriage being thrown back into the gutter, abortion now super illegal and the women gets punish for it, any and all healthcare that came with obamacare will of course be scrapped(hell let's just say everything with Obama's name will be scratch. Maybe they'll even just erase him from all history and text to keep the c-c-c-comboooo).

But luckily things like Jim Crow Laws and repealing women's rights is still impossible....for now. But of course there are always ways around those pesky things.

@Steak on post #2537147 (clownpiece (touhou) drawn by mefomefo)

2016-11-09T11:25:47-05:00

Our greatest strength is our artistic freedom.

It is not. If anything, that's what's going to kill the country when everyone starts doing their own thing and objectivity is utterly lost.