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@Feronen on post #2574953 (ha-class destroyer (kantai collection) drawn by onibi_(foxhound4185))

2017-02-18T00:42:17-05:00

MentallyUnstable said:

My head canon is that the abyssals are an, most likely dying, alien race that crash landed in the middle of the pacific before the rise of man, and have been biding their time by repairing their systems before they start their "assimilation" process. By the time "A" day begins, humanity is caught completely off guard against an enemy with access to kinetic shield technology and armor that can withstand both mortars and missiles. Even nuking them doesn't work, as not only do they have superior anti-air capabilities, but they are highly resistant to radiation. When all hope seems lost, a small contingent of soldiers manages to take an abyssal down through great toil and secure its technology to be reverse-engineered by the various world's governments. This allows us to push the abyssals back to the seas, but until either side gains an edge, there is only a standstill.

Then, an amazing discovery is made by combining abyssal technology with the corpses of females containing certain genes. One thing leads to another, and kanmusu are born. Of course, kanmusu require a great amount of resources, manpower and planning to actually launch, so when the situation calls for it, normal human soldiers equipped with reverse-engineered abyssal tech, as seen here, must be deployed.

Tldr; Kanmusu are made for the sea, human soldiers are made for land.

tl;dr Pacific Rim in a nutshell

@TheMadsAdmiral on post #2574953 (ha-class destroyer (kantai collection) drawn by onibi_(foxhound4185))

2017-01-16T01:33:43-05:00

Reminds me of Death Stranding's trailer where Mads Mikelsen was leading a squad of skeleton WW2 soldiers while he dons modern gear.

@Keo on post #2574953 (ha-class destroyer (kantai collection) drawn by onibi_(foxhound4185))

2016-12-21T12:33:59-05:00

Tetsamaru said:

That wasn't actually the discussion. It was more whether or not Humans could do it and if it had to be actual Kanmusus.

Using Doujins as reference is never a good idea. I could give less of a fuck what kind of logic and reality they have in the fanmade works, because otherwise we will have to take into consideration all the stupid shit you see in the R-18 doujins as well (maybe the best way the humans can fight the Abyssals is to fuck them all to death).
Unless the anime or other canon works say so and pander to the fans, I take everything with a grain of salt from what I read. However, we have seen Abyssals bleed and get wounded and to quote the great governer of KALI-FO-NYAA;
If it bleeds we can kill it.

The question is whether a normal human being with his "puny" arm strength would even make a scratch on said Abyssal ship even if he went straight for the eyeballs.

If we want to talk serious, I think you might be giving humans a little too little credit. In all seriousness, if it is anything anyway real life military related then the Admiral will be anything but a "normal" human. Taking out all the bullshit thing that could happen in doujins, like letting little kids command an entire naval base, I would assume like in real life actual Admirals will have long time military training and experience and that they are physically above and beyond what we can consider civilians, unless that country is so shitty that they just gave roles to those willy-lilly. I'm not saying they'll have to play college ball at the University of Texas or be able to break the president in half with their bare hands, but the whole "puny arm strength" won't work unless, like I said, that country is shitty enough to grab any idiot off the street and just throw him into the fields.

That'll be as dumb as having as Admirals/Naval soldiers that can't swim.

Also, if we take the whole magic route then that would mean magic weapons also exist and we all that know with magic weapons anyone can do anything.

79248cm/s said:

GuP Tankery owns the land, Kancolle Shipgirls own the sea, and Strike Witches own the whole god damn thing!

Seeing as how Shimada is part of the team, I believe it is safe to say that 2 out of 3 of what you said is pretty much real. Strike Witch and Kancolle existing in the same universe would just make too much sense.

@79248cm/s on post #2574953 (ha-class destroyer (kantai collection) drawn by onibi_(foxhound4185))

2016-12-21T12:13:29-05:00

GuP Tankery owns the land, Kancolle Shipgirls own the sea, and Strike Witches own the whole god damn thing!

@MentallyUnstable on post #2574953 (ha-class destroyer (kantai collection) drawn by onibi_(foxhound4185))

2016-12-21T12:08:54-05:00

My head canon is that the abyssals are an, most likely dying, alien race that crash landed in the middle of the pacific before the rise of man, and have been biding their time by repairing their systems before they start their "assimilation" process. By the time "A" day begins, humanity is caught completely off guard against an enemy with access to kinetic shield technology and armor that can withstand both mortars and missiles. Even nuking them doesn't work, as not only do they have superior anti-air capabilities, but they are highly resistant to radiation. When all hope seems lost, a small contingent of soldiers manages to take an abyssal down through great toil and secure its technology to be reverse-engineered by the various world's governments. This allows us to push the abyssals back to the seas, but until either side gains an edge, there is only a standstill.

Then, an amazing discovery is made by combining abyssal technology with the corpses of females containing certain genes. One thing leads to another, and kanmusu are born. Of course, kanmusu require a great amount of resources, manpower and planning to actually launch, so when the situation calls for it, normal human soldiers equipped with reverse-engineered abyssal tech, as seen here, must be deployed.

Tldr; Kanmusu are made for the sea, human soldiers are made for land.

@Tetsamaru on post #2574953 (ha-class destroyer (kantai collection) drawn by onibi_(foxhound4185))

2016-12-21T11:00:56-05:00

Keo said:
Not impossible, seeing as how a few Kanmusu sport guns, like Maru-yu, and even carry blades.
The Abyssals have a physical body and bleed so it can be assumed that they can be killed. I'm sure a hard hit with a crowbar to the head or aiming for the horns can kill them.

That wasn't actually the discussion. It was more whether or not Humans could do it and if it had to be actual Kanmusus. The idea most commonly used by Doujin makers is that the Kanmusus mostly Magical girls in nature and the only ones that can fight Abyss ships at all. With Humans literally not being able to do anything to the Abyssal ships. Even in the Canon manga, Tenryuu and Tatsuta were seen using their melee weapons, so that's not really the "problem" being presented.

It was more so the idea as to "why" it's only Kanmusus seen fighting and not having any human backups at all.

My personal idea was that humans "Could" backup, but without whatever magical force is driving the Kancolle girls, it's not very an efficient use of resources to make "real" battleships and instead, just make more Nagatos and Kongous.

Putting Aside non-human admirals (like that Female Dragon Admiral that literally is ripping off arms and heads of abyssals) Some other doujin makers sometimes make the admirals go on the defensive when faced with an Abyssal when not guarded by their Kanmusus, but most of them don't out right have then attack an abyssal head on unless the Admiral is non-human or been written as "Abyssal-fied".

To use your Crowbar analysis, Kanmusus(serious doujins not comical ones) have been seen bending Steel bars and busting cement walls no problem. A crowbar used by a Kanmusu hitting an Abyssal in the head? Sure why not. THe question is whether a normal human being with his "puny" arm strength would even make a scratch on said Abyssal ship even if he went straight for the eyeballs.

I think back to when Cell achieved is full form in DBZ and how all the Z fighters in that situation when full blast on Cell and he literally didn't flinch at all, like he didn't fell anything until Vegeta stepped in.

@recon98 on post #2574953 (ha-class destroyer (kantai collection) drawn by onibi_(foxhound4185))

2016-12-21T10:46:34-05:00

Imagine the girls seeing this group of men leaving for mission. Six went inside the helicopter, only 2 return...but they return with all the intels needed to counter the abyssal in the future
O7

@Keo on post #2574953 (ha-class destroyer (kantai collection) drawn by onibi_(foxhound4185))

2016-12-21T06:33:55-05:00

Tetsamaru said:

Also i can't imagine any "Gun" working on any Abysasal since they are supposed to be ships. Would you shoot at a heavy Cruiser (Even on land) with any sort of rifle? At least use some Bunker Busters or RPGs or something.

Not impossible, seeing as how a few Kanmusu sport guns, like Maru-yu, and even carry blades.
The Abyssals have a physical body and bleed so it can be assumed that they can be killed. I'm sure a hard hit with a crowbar to the head or aiming for the horns can kill them.

Now the question is can said person actually survive the encounter long enough to actually kill the Abyssals since unlike them Kanmusu most HUMANS can't survive a blast or torpedoes to the face. Not without losing a few limbs or being disabled for life.
Something tells me those sharp giant bear claws from Seaport will do more than tickle and scratch you if they make contact.

@Rathurue on post #2574953 (ha-class destroyer (kantai collection) drawn by onibi_(foxhound4185))

2016-12-21T05:41:04-05:00

Shit, now I'm having an idea for a new series where people spawns Kanmusus, took off their riggings and used it for making unmanned humanoid-type weapons while the girls acts like Gundam pilots in the base, directing the weapons.

@Tetsamaru on post #2574953 (ha-class destroyer (kantai collection) drawn by onibi_(foxhound4185))

2016-12-21T05:19:44-05:00

nr22 said:

I also like the idea, but don't only the kanmusu (and fairies, by extension) have the special power to kill abyssals? I always imagined conventional, modern ships and their weapons didn't have any effect on them when they first appeared. Maybe that's what's happened here: Soldier dumped mags on Ha-class, barrel is white-hot, yet no damage was done...

Well in the Admrial Kamio Reiji doujin, yua_(checkmate) did show that the original platoon his admiral was in was able to take down like 1 or 2 abyssal destroyers that appeared on land. But only at great cost.

I'd like to imagine that conventional fire arms(like tanks and missles) can work, but it's just not practical and better to rely on the Kanmusu's magical guns instead.

Like 1-2 shots from Inazuma to sink a destroyer while it would take like 20 regular submarine torpedoes to kill it. Even if in the story Reiji was "modified" super soldier, he still took hella damage trying to fight even just a Destroyer Abyssal.

Also i can't imagine any "Gun" working on any Abysasal since they are supposed to be ships. Would you shoot at a heavy Cruiser (Even on land) with any sort of rifle? At least use some Bunker Busters or RPGs or something.

@nr22 on post #2574953 (ha-class destroyer (kantai collection) drawn by onibi_(foxhound4185))

2016-12-21T04:53:44-05:00

I also like the idea, but don't only the kanmusu (and fairies, by extension) have the special power to kill abyssals? I always imagined conventional, modern ships and their weapons didn't have any effect on them when they first appeared. Maybe that's what's happened here: Soldier dumped mags on Ha-class, barrel is white-hot, yet no damage was done...

@T34/38 on post #2574953 (ha-class destroyer (kantai collection) drawn by onibi_(foxhound4185))

2016-12-21T04:40:33-05:00

recon98 said:

I also like the idea of an average soldiers taking part in the battle against the abyssals. This shows that we don't rely 100% on the girls all the time like Covert missions, land engagements etc.

I do speculate (from a friend) that the land forces are mixed of male and females but the majority are male soldiers... Still there is hard guess how powerful the Abyssals in the land... But in Milihime Taisen where the same kind of enemy (which set on Europe) are far stronger.

@recon98 on post #2574953 (ha-class destroyer (kantai collection) drawn by onibi_(foxhound4185))

2016-12-21T03:05:30-05:00

I also like the idea of an average soldiers taking part in the battle against the abyssals. This shows that we don't rely 100% on the girls all the time like Covert missions, land engagements etc.