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@bakamann on post #2868461 (serval, kaban, common raccoon, fennec, and lucky beast (kemono friends and 1 more) drawn by aoi_tmt)

2017-10-04T08:16:49-04:00

Saiko said:

What? That can't be real, can it?

Dwango is a part of the Kadokawa Dwango conglomerate, and Nico Nico Douga is owned by Dwango.

@Garrus on post #2868461 (serval, kaban, common raccoon, fennec, and lucky beast (kemono friends and 1 more) drawn by aoi_tmt)

2017-10-03T20:42:59-04:00

Update: Kadokawa is speaking with Tatsuki's studio

@Saiko on post #2868461 (serval, kaban, common raccoon, fennec, and lucky beast (kemono friends and 1 more) drawn by aoi_tmt)

2017-09-29T06:39:10-04:00

Garrus said:

Another update: Kadokawa is using either paid advocates or bots to flood forums and other media. They also have started censoring NicoNico comments about the issue.

What? That can't be real, can it?

@Garrus on post #2868461 (serval, kaban, common raccoon, fennec, and lucky beast (kemono friends and 1 more) drawn by aoi_tmt)

2017-09-28T11:42:38-04:00

Marqant said:

This will absolutely help to solve the problem instead of speaking with each other.

Thanks for the ongoing updates, anyway.

I'm just a middleman gleaning what I can from Reddit.

@5pb on post #2868461 (serval, kaban, common raccoon, fennec, and lucky beast (kemono friends and 1 more) drawn by aoi_tmt)

2017-09-28T06:42:23-04:00

Garrus said:

Another update: Kadokawa is using either paid advocates or bots to flood forums and other media. They also have started censoring NicoNico comments about the issue.

It's like they're trying to cover it up and act like nothing ever happened and no one is unhappy about it

@Marqant on post #2868461 (serval, kaban, common raccoon, fennec, and lucky beast (kemono friends and 1 more) drawn by aoi_tmt)

2017-09-28T01:41:14-04:00

Garrus said:

Another update: Kadokawa is using either paid advocates or bots to flood forums and other media. They also have started censoring NicoNico comments about the issue.

This will absolutely help to solve the problem instead of speaking with each other.

Thanks for the ongoing updates, anyway.

@Garrus on post #2868461 (serval, kaban, common raccoon, fennec, and lucky beast (kemono friends and 1 more) drawn by aoi_tmt)

2017-09-28T00:24:42-04:00

Another update: Kadokawa is using either paid advocates or bots to flood forums and other media. They also have started censoring NicoNico comments about the issue.

@Saladofstones on post #2868461 (serval, kaban, common raccoon, fennec, and lucky beast (kemono friends and 1 more) drawn by aoi_tmt)

2017-09-27T16:11:35-04:00

Laethiel said:

Some more updates:

Regarding the "used the work without sharing information or contacting the various groups involved" thing, via http://kemono-friendsch.com/archives/39109

Kurita Shigetaka, an executive at Dwango, says that they haven't received any official complaints asking for episode 12.1 to be removed, so at least so far, there are no problems with it

irodori's Kemono Friends doujinshi is labeled as having special permission from Kemono Friends Project

JRA (Keibajou collab) have stated that they went through Kadokawa and had permission for the video back in March

Donbei (Fukkura collab) have stated that they were in contact with Kemono Friends Project and had permission for the video back in June

http://kemono-friendsch.com/archives/39157 & http://kemono-friendsch.com/archives/39170

On the 13th Kemono Friends Hour, the seiyuu were made to apologize for the uproar, a technique known as the "seiyuu shield" (executives hoping that they can deflect criticism by making the blameless seiyuu apologize). Video of that part (with niconico comments) currently available here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neicunZGTc4

On niconico, the 13th Kemono Friends Hour got 51.1% "very good" and 28.2% "not good" ratings from the viewers. For comparison, the 10th Kemono Friends Hour was rated 90.9% "very good", 0.8% "not good".

I feel bad for the VAs being used as a shield. Especially since their project is the one that just got screwed over.

@Garrus on post #2868461 (serval, kaban, common raccoon, fennec, and lucky beast (kemono friends and 1 more) drawn by aoi_tmt)

2017-09-27T10:51:00-04:00

Laethiel said:

On the 13th Kemono Friends Hour, the seiyuu were made to apologize for the uproar, a technique known as the "seiyuu shield" (executives hoping that they can deflect criticism by making the blameless seiyuu apologize). Video of that part (with niconico comments) currently available here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neicunZGTc4

The fuck?! How about they grow a goddamn spine and admit they fucked this up! That's just low.

@Laethiel on post #2868461 (serval, kaban, common raccoon, fennec, and lucky beast (kemono friends and 1 more) drawn by aoi_tmt)

2017-09-27T10:15:50-04:00

Some more updates:

Regarding the "used the work without sharing information or contacting the various groups involved" thing, via http://kemono-friendsch.com/archives/39109

Kurita Shigetaka, an executive at Dwango, says that they haven't received any official complaints asking for episode 12.1 to be removed, so at least so far, there are no problems with it
irodori's Kemono Friends doujinshi is labeled as having special permission from Kemono Friends Project
JRA (Keibajou collab) have stated that they went through Kadokawa and had permission for the video back in March
Donbei (Fukkura collab) have stated that they were in contact with Kemono Friends Project and had permission for the video back in June

http://kemono-friendsch.com/archives/39157 & http://kemono-friendsch.com/archives/39170

On the 13th Kemono Friends Hour, the seiyuu were made to apologize for the uproar, a technique known as the "seiyuu shield" (executives hoping that they can deflect criticism by making the blameless seiyuu apologize). Video of that part (with niconico comments) currently available here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neicunZGTc4
On niconico, the 13th Kemono Friends Hour got 51.1% "very good" and 28.2% "not good" ratings from the viewers. For comparison, the 10th Kemono Friends Hour was rated 90.9% "very good", 0.8% "not good".

@shinr on post #2868461 (serval, kaban, common raccoon, fennec, and lucky beast (kemono friends and 1 more) drawn by aoi_tmt)

2017-09-27T06:39:26-04:00

Krugger said:

Is this a trend when a pilot season does really well the next season they switch the production or animation to another group for some reason. It just seems to happen so often and then when they change it to seem like the series tends to just stop dead in the water. The next thing is when they make the change its always so mysterious no explanation is given or the bare minimum.

In most cases, it is a consequence of the chronically understaffed anime industry working on too many things at once on a tight schedule.

Obviously not the case with KF, though, which is about the brass forcibly taking control over the formerly worthless IP that suddenly became a money-maker.

@Krugger on post #2868461 (serval, kaban, common raccoon, fennec, and lucky beast (kemono friends and 1 more) drawn by aoi_tmt)

2017-09-27T01:39:38-04:00

ZombieMeowth said:

The director of season 1 announced he was removed from any upcoming projects by Kadokawa.

@Krugger on post #2868461 (serval, kaban, common raccoon, fennec, and lucky beast (kemono friends and 1 more) drawn by aoi_tmt)

2017-09-26T18:04:37-04:00

Garrus said:

Well, to be honest from what I have heard from a friend who's had to work with people at companies in Japan remotely, they're pretty monolithic. They probably didn't think that news would travel so fast, or expect the backlash, simply because they're likely not "caught up" on said platforms or how they've grown. Let alone the communities that their works have spawned.

But they should remember that Kokoro Connect incident or at least Purple cipher machine

@Garrus on post #2868461 (serval, kaban, common raccoon, fennec, and lucky beast (kemono friends and 1 more) drawn by aoi_tmt)

2017-09-26T16:45:44-04:00

Krugger said:

Also, why are they so surprised that new travels so fast I mean Twitter they have a department dedicated to that they must know as soon as they say anything its pretty much in the public domain.

Well, to be honest from what I have heard from a friend who's had to work with people at companies in Japan remotely, they're pretty monolithic. They probably didn't think that news would travel so fast, or expect the backlash, simply because they're likely not "caught up" on said platforms or how they've grown. Let alone the communities that their works have spawned.

@5pb on post #2868461 (serval, kaban, common raccoon, fennec, and lucky beast (kemono friends and 1 more) drawn by aoi_tmt)

2017-09-26T15:43:30-04:00

Hope someone do something about this matter though
Any more of these and the friends will feel down and sad watching / hearing their creators leaving them

@Krugger on post #2868461 (serval, kaban, common raccoon, fennec, and lucky beast (kemono friends and 1 more) drawn by aoi_tmt)

2017-09-26T15:29:31-04:00

Is this a trend when a pilot season does really well the next season they switch the production or animation to another group for some reason. It just seems to happen so often and then when they change it to seem like the series tends to just stop dead in the water. The next thing is when they make the change its always so mysterious no explanation is given or the bare minimum.

They have a goose that lays a golden egg and then they say alright we have the egg we can take it from here and then kill the goose. I know they say there is no bad publicity but after Kokoro Connect I would expect them to be a bit more cautious or transparent on what is going on from the beginning. Now it feels like they are hurriedly trying to cover themselves. Also, why are they so surprised that new travels so fast I mean Twitter they have a department dedicated to that they must know as soon as they say anything its pretty much in the public domain.

I just think there must be more to these decisions.

@Garrus on post #2868461 (serval, kaban, common raccoon, fennec, and lucky beast (kemono friends and 1 more) drawn by aoi_tmt)

2017-09-26T14:14:32-04:00

Oh wow, this just keeps getting worse. Want to take bets on how long before people simply boycott the entire company's works in protest?

Barefeet, their heads seem to be up their asses so far in terms of the optics of this that they'd probably thank you for giving them something to drink besides diarrhea.

Edit: Did they seriously try to pass the buck on this?

@BarefeetChaser on post #2868461 (serval, kaban, common raccoon, fennec, and lucky beast (kemono friends and 1 more) drawn by aoi_tmt)

2017-09-26T13:58:17-04:00

Kadokawa going full Konami now. They deserve a round of applause for this amazing achievement. And half a cup of cold cum with just a hint of diarrhea.
#Fuckadokawa
#Fuckonami

@Laethiel on post #2868461 (serval, kaban, common raccoon, fennec, and lucky beast (kemono friends and 1 more) drawn by aoi_tmt)

2017-09-26T13:50:43-04:00

The latest couple pieces of information:

From http://kemono-friendsch.com/archives/38885 : a post appeared on Futaba Channel containing the following:

-------［けものフレンズ］［たつき降板］［パターン２３］
これ以上カドカワを叩いてもけもフレファンが社会常識のない人達の集まりだとわかってしまうだけかと
カドカワも問題はありそうだけどそもそもの発端はたつきの問題
少しは常識や社会倫理を身に着けたほうが良い

-------[Kemono Friends][Tatsuki being replaced][Pattern 23]
Even if you keep flaming Kadokawa, it'll just show that KF fans are a group of people with no social etiquette.
Kadokawa seems like it has its problems, too, but the start of it all is Tatsuki's problem.
You should learn some common sense and social ethics.

The post then disappeared, and reappeared about a minute later without the first line.

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Official news release from Kemono Friends Project at http://kemono-friends.jp/archives/category/news/ (the site has been getting hammered, copy available at http://kemono-friendsch.com/archives/38957 ):

けものフレンズプロジェクトＡ

「けものフレンズ」に関しまして、すでに新規映像化プロジェクトの制作を発表させていただいておりますが、発表当初より同体制での継続か、新体制での新たな表現かも合わせて検討中で、現時点においてもまだ何も決定していない状況です。

そのような中、今年１月～３月に放送されたＴＶアニメーションと同様の体制を優先として、視聴者のご期待に沿えるべく調整をしておりましたが、アニメーション制作会社であるヤオヨロズ株式会社より８月に入った段階で辞退したい旨の話を受け、制作体制を一から模索することになっているのが現状です。

「けものフレンズ」は動物ファーストの理念のもと、関わってくださったすべての方々の手によってゲーム、コミック、アニメ、舞台と展開して参りました。広く門戸を開放し、理念に賛同していただける方々のお力添えをいただき、世界を広げていきたい。そのために誰のものでもないプロジェクトとして、動物のための「けものフレンズ」として活動を重ねて参りました。

しかし、アニメーション制作を担当していただきましたヤオヨロズ株式会社には、関係各所への情報共有や連絡がないままでの作品利用がありました。映像化プロジェクトとしては次回の制作を引き続きお願いしたかったため、情報は事前に共有してほしい旨の正常化を図る申し入れをさせていただきましたが、ヤオヨロズ株式会社からは、その条件は受け入れられないので辞退したい、とのお返事でございました。

「けものフレンズ」の映像化プロジェクトに関しては、上記のような経緯で一部滞っておりますが、「けものフレンズプロジェクト」は今後も御協力をいただく皆様と共に作品を守り、ファンを守り、動物たちのことをもっと知ってもらう活動をこれからも初志貫徹、続けていく所存です。映像化に関しましても、改めて、そしてできるだけ早くご報告できるよう進めて参ります。

今後とも様々な「けものフレンズプロジェクト」をよろしくお願いします。

Someone else can translate the whole thing if they want, but here are a couple of quotes:

We received word from the animation production studio Yaoyorozu in early August that they want to step down from the project

Yaoyorozu corporation, which handled the animation production, used the work without sharing information or contacting the various groups involved. As we wanted to ask them to handle the next video project as well, we sent a request to them that they share information beforehand, but Yaoyorozu replied that they could not accept that condition and so they want to step down.

Naturally, the fans aren't buying it. For one thing, there's this tweet from Yoshizaki Mine in April: https://twitter.com/yosRRX/status/849338523312377856

At the last meeting, when I said that even after it ends, you're free to keep making it, I got the feeling that director Tatsuki's eyes gleamed... could it be!?

@user_473823 on post #2868461 (serval, kaban, common raccoon, fennec, and lucky beast (kemono friends and 1 more) drawn by aoi_tmt)

2017-09-26T11:05:11-04:00

Kadokawa will be announcing something concerning this matter within Sep 26 (Japan time) (which has ended though).

全文表示 | けもフレ、たつき監督が降板「カドカワ方面からのお達しみたい」　売れると主導権争い、の指摘が : J-CASTニュース (Japanese)

Edit: http://kemono-friends.jp/archives/category/news/

Kemono Friends Project A (KFPA; the copyright holder of the anime) claims that Yaoyorozu (the animation studio which produced the anime) has exploited the work without notifying other stakeholders, and that they requested that Yaoyorozu inform the stakeholders before utilizing the work, but Yaoyorozu refused the condition and told KFPA that they would withdraw from the production of the anime.