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@NWSiaCB on post #3167552 (gangut (kantai collection) drawn by cnm)

2018-07-03T23:58:33-04:00

Project30bis said:

History is not written by the victors--or else Mongols would have been remembered fondly. In the case of the Eastern Front, it was quite explicitly written by the losers until recently, because in the West we only had the word of the Germans to go on (the Soviets weren't really willing to provide information on their military operations, for example).

I loathe the excuse of "history is written by the victors". It isn't.

Technically, the Mongols may have expanded quite rapidly, but theirs was not really an "empire" built to last.

I remember that in Debt: The First 5000 Years, the author wrote something to the effect that nations may come and go, but a well-designed bureaucracy will outlast time. Running an empire takes bureaucrats, and nomadic tribesman were not bureaucrats. Instead, right after conquering China, the first thing they did was get the Chinese (whose meritocratic bureaucracy was basically the same system Confucius created around 500 BC) to run their empire for them. It may have been the Mongols' empire, but the people writing the story were the Chinese.

In that sense, it's better to say that history is written by the surviving literati. The oral histories of countless peoples have been lost forever, but the Tale of Gilgamesh still exists.

@Project30bis on post #3167552 (gangut (kantai collection) drawn by cnm)

2018-07-03T23:29:08-04:00

Dustii-chan said:

You also need to remember the atrocities that those same countries did (and maybe even continue to do) to their own people. History may be written by the victor, but the lessons apply to both sides.

History is not written by the victors--or else Mongols would have been remembered fondly. In the case of the Eastern Front, it was quite explicitly written by the losers until recently, because in the West we only had the word of the Germans to go on (the Soviets weren't really willing to provide information on their military operations, for example).

I loathe the excuse of "history is written by the victors". It isn't.

@Dustii-chan on post #3167552 (gangut (kantai collection) drawn by cnm)

2018-07-02T15:03:53-04:00

Smith0052 said:

apparently he knows what the Japanese did with the Chinese and Russians in the same 731 部隊 you also need to remember this. Do not forget the cruelty of war, otherwise everything will happen again.

You also need to remember the atrocities that those same countries did (and maybe even continue to do) to their own people. History may be written by the victor, but the lessons apply to both sides.

@ChernyLitvin on post #3167552 (gangut (kantai collection) drawn by cnm)

2018-06-22T06:07:43-04:00

Group Alpha flew! None of them will survive!

@Smith0052 on post #3167552 (gangut (kantai collection) drawn by cnm)

2018-06-22T01:14:49-04:00

apparently he knows what the Japanese did with the Chinese and Russians in the same 731 部隊 you also need to remember this. Do not forget the cruelty of war, otherwise everything will happen again.

@Hyunny on post #3167552 (gangut (kantai collection) drawn by cnm)

2018-06-22T00:59:58-04:00

Oh no :( my day is ruined....

@ysteV on post #3167552 (gangut (kantai collection) drawn by cnm)

2018-06-21T23:17:38-04:00

CNM, I think it's about time you stop