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@Steak on post #3221026 (zero, alia, layer, and palette (rockman and 1 more) )

2019-02-12T01:45:39-05:00

NWSiaCB said:

Yes, but that's exactly the same as "everyone being a cyborg", which was my point - the difference between human and mechanical has so blurred that people don't even recognize someone like (apparently entirely mechanical) Bon Bonne and (at least superficially entirely human) Tron Bonne as being any different at all.

Besides, if they're just Boring Ol' Humans, why bother calling them "Carbons" instead of just calling them "humans" in a world where humans definitely did used to be called humans? It certainly implies there was a change at some point.

I get the impression that the bio-engineering advanced to the point where organic and synthetic organism merged to the point that a person could swap out a big robot arm for an organic (or organic-seeming) arm and then back again as they needed. The really big, ugly, metal parts, however, are more a matter of either need or not having anything better (presumably, clunky is also cheap). Megaman wears his blue armor and has detachable gun arms because he's a digger that directly faces danger and needs armor and firepower, but Roll doesn't and her mechanical bent means she probably needs dexterous fingers, so she keeps her normal human arms equipped, instead.

Bon is regarded socially as a sibling to Tron and Tiesel, most likely because one or both of their parents built him. Tron herself acts like a mother to the Servbots, but that doesn't mean they're the same.

Regarding cybernetics, not knowing what actually goes into...attaching them to people or what traumas they experienced prior to doing so, it's quite an assumption to make they're easily swapped in. You're assuming it's the people who are special and not the replacement.

Carbons aren't humans, but there might practically be no difference. Like-wise, Megaman is not a Carbon, but without his memories and exhausted after his battle with Sera, he seemed to have gone through a developmental period identical to a normal childhood after being recovered. There's also the fact that Roll's mother, a Carbon, doesn't seem to be too much of a handicap for Yuna, at least as far as mobility and processing power is concerned.

Then there's the Master who seems to have gone "poof" after living in Elysium for a thousand years. Humans don't go poof after simply changing their environment.

@NWSiaCB on post #3221026 (zero, alia, layer, and palette (rockman and 1 more) )

2018-08-26T00:39:02-04:00

Keo said:

Also, I want to add that it seems while reploids are given more or less free will of a sort, many are still created for the sole purpose of certain jobs and have certain bodies. They were still more or less robotic servants and possibly second-class citizens to humans. The only REAL "reploid" that would have been able to actually go and enjoy himself with mundane task would be X cause there is no doubt that many reploids were still probably wired to do what they were made to do. Otherwise they would be deemed maverick.

Actually, X isn't a reploid, he's a full-on android.

Reploids aren't (totally) robots, they seem to be bio-engineered to be partially organic, and partly machine. It seems that when Dr. Light's inventions were reverse-engineered, they either couldn't be perfectly copied, or biological engineering had advanced to the point that computers were just partly biological at that point, so they just made up the difference with some sort of biological computer parts.

Beyond that, even if they're not entirely free by the laws of Earth, they also aren't just strictly Three Laws Compliant robot-like, either, as they can do things like, say, decide to leave the Earth to start their own society that they presumably are at least conceivably capable of creating and managing.

Steak said:

Legends does have people with prosthetics, but that's not the same as everyone being a robot. More like, the technology that the Carbons salvaged allowed them to replace bits of themselves as needed. Especially Diggers and pirates who have dangerous occupations.

Yes, but that's exactly the same as "everyone being a cyborg", which was my point - the difference between human and mechanical has so blurred that people don't even recognize someone like (apparently entirely mechanical) Bon Bonne and (at least superficially entirely human) Tron Bonne as being any different at all.

Besides, if they're just Boring Ol' Humans, why bother calling them "Carbons" instead of just calling them "humans" in a world where humans definitely did used to be called humans? It certainly implies there was a change at some point.

I get the impression that the bio-engineering advanced to the point where organic and synthetic organism merged to the point that a person could swap out a big robot arm for an organic (or organic-seeming) arm and then back again as they needed. The really big, ugly, metal parts, however, are more a matter of either need or not having anything better (presumably, clunky is also cheap). Megaman wears his blue armor and has detachable gun arms because he's a digger that directly faces danger and needs armor and firepower, but Roll doesn't and her mechanical bent means she probably needs dexterous fingers, so she keeps her normal human arms equipped, instead.

@Steak on post #3221026 (zero, alia, layer, and palette (rockman and 1 more) )

2018-08-21T07:16:47-04:00

Legends does have people with prosthetics, but that's not the same as everyone being a robot. More like, the technology that the Carbons salvaged allowed them to replace bits of themselves as needed. Especially Diggers and pirates who have dangerous occupations.

@Keo on post #3221026 (zero, alia, layer, and palette (rockman and 1 more) )

2018-08-21T01:47:37-04:00

TouToTheHouYo said:

This is something I really wish the X series had ever addressed, whether humanoid reploids had a basic humanoid chassis under all that armor or the option to upload into a less bulky body for non-combat activities. Especially since unlike the Classic series, with its purpose-built Robot Masters, reploids in the X series and onward were supposed to be people with their own will and drive and would presumably engage in pass-times other then maverick hunting. Probably difficult to do that if you're stuck in a heavily armed and armored battle-body everywhere you go.

Interestingly enough, I believe the reploids only make up of a small part of the whole maverick hunters. Many of the civilian reploids are just that, civilians. Heck, the whole maverick thing was actually a really recent thing if you consider the timespan of the awakening of X and the creation of the reploids intergrating into society and the whole war didnt fully take off until the awakening of Zero and the corruption of Sigma.

It seems to me that while the earlier reploids were more robotic in looks compared to the other generations, alot of the ones that join up with the hunters were either created specifically or heavily modified to the point where I'm not sure if they can actually go back to doing mundane task like eating with chopsticks or hanging laundry. Maverick hunting do take up alot of time and with Sigma coming back every weekend to create mayham it's probably more or less a full time around the clock job.

Although, I dont think I've ever seen the X generation reploids ever wearing fabric clothing before, but then again we rarely do see civilian reploids either, female ones even less.

Seeing how the reploid was built based on X yet was also built as more along the lines of a new race, it is probably safe to say parts like his armor and helmet and weaponary were omitted during creation. X himself I don't think every took off his armor nor do I think he has hair, yet the scene during Zero 2 show that his chest armor can break apart so it's safe to say that reploids that are not heavily modified or they still have them robot armor can probably take it off.

Also, I want to add that it seems while reploids are given more or less free will of a sort, many are still created for the sole purpose of certain jobs and have certain bodies. They were still more or less robotic servants and possibly second-class citizens to humans. The only REAL "reploid" that would have been able to actually go and enjoy himself with mundane task would be X cause there is no doubt that many reploids were still probably wired to do what they were made to do. Otherwise they would be deemed maverick.

@NWSiaCB on post #3221026 (zero, alia, layer, and palette (rockman and 1 more) )

2018-08-21T00:15:22-04:00

Steak said:

"Carbons" in Legends were humans. The System just didn't recognize them as such, instead referring to the Master as the only true human.

Well, considering as they had a lot of obviously robotic parts, they're at best cyborgs (it's hard to look at Bon Bonne and say anything is human at all), but I got the sense they were just an evolution of reploids that completely blurred the line between human and robot to the point of meaninglessness, hence the notion of The Master being the last "true human".

@Steak on post #3221026 (zero, alia, layer, and palette (rockman and 1 more) )

2018-08-20T23:32:05-04:00

"Carbons" in Legends were humans. The System just didn't recognize them as such, instead referring to the Master as the only true human.

@NWSiaCB on post #3221026 (zero, alia, layer, and palette (rockman and 1 more) )

2018-08-20T23:22:46-04:00

TouToTheHouYo said:

This is something I really wish the X series had ever addressed, whether humanoid reploids had a basic humanoid chassis under all that armor or the option to upload into a less bulky body for non-combat activities. Especially since unlike the Classic series, with its purpose-built Robot Masters, reploids in the X series and onward were supposed to be people with their own will and drive and would presumably engage in pass-times other then maverick hunting. Probably difficult to do that if you're stuck in a heavily armed and armored battle-body everywhere you go.

They seemed to have a Metroid Chozo Suit style of being able to manipulate the physicality of their physical bodies in segments. I.E. Unlike the original Megaman, X has two hands, but one of them just dematerializes whenever he fires his arm canon for as long as he needs to fire. Equipping or unequipping new equipment is likewise seemingly just beamed up or down from the Starship Enterprise, and X is more decidedly robotic than reploids, so it's entirely possible for them to just be equipping their battle dresses.

The longer the series went on, the more reploids just became humans, or perhaps "cyborgs", to the point where, by Megaman Legends, they just called them "humans", and actual, totally flesh-and-blood humans were extinct.

Hence, especially for the much more obviously built-for-looks female characters in the later X games, I'm going to say that this is probably plausible. (Plus, this IS official art, so...)

@Steak on post #3221026 (zero, alia, layer, and palette (rockman and 1 more) )

2018-08-20T22:31:55-04:00

It's probably best to take reploids on a case by case basis. Especially later on in the series.

@TouToTheHouYo on post #3221026 (zero, alia, layer, and palette (rockman and 1 more) )

2018-08-20T18:22:18-04:00

This is something I really wish the X series had ever addressed, whether humanoid reploids had a basic humanoid chassis under all that armor or the option to upload into a less bulky body for non-combat activities. Especially since unlike the Classic series, with its purpose-built Robot Masters, reploids in the X series and onward were supposed to be people with their own will and drive and would presumably engage in pass-times other then maverick hunting. Probably difficult to do that if you're stuck in a heavily armed and armored battle-body everywhere you go.