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@Garrus on post #3316839 (yuugiri (zombie land saga) drawn by fujimi_keisuke)

2018-11-14T22:34:46-05:00

Mithiwithi said:

His introduction (in the book timeline) in Reaper Man was as the head of an undead civil rights group, and he joined the Watch when he went to complain about Watch brutality against the undead and Vimes invited him in. (Complaints from the undead about Watch misconduct subsequently doubled, all directed at Constable Shoe.)

Indeed. I've not read the Death series. Perhaps I should pick it up. That being said, I believe Reg Shoe's best showing was in Night Watch, both living and dead. Not that he was bad in his earlier appearances, mind you. It's just that Night Watch is, I feel, one of the best books for the characters that feature in it.

@Mithiwithi on post #3316839 (yuugiri (zombie land saga) drawn by fujimi_keisuke)

2018-11-14T21:12:54-05:00

Garrus said:

Ah, good old Reg Shoe. If there ever was a man born to be dead, it was him. Totally something he would do, too.

GNU Terry Pratchett.

His introduction (in the book timeline) in Reaper Man was as the head of an undead civil rights group, and he joined the Watch when he went to complain about Watch brutality against the undead and Vimes invited him in. (Complaints from the undead about Watch misconduct subsequently doubled, all directed at Constable Shoe.)

@NWSiaCB on post #3316839 (yuugiri (zombie land saga) drawn by fujimi_keisuke)

2018-11-13T23:48:10-05:00

Garrus said:

TBH, I don't think we're ever going to get an explanation for how exactly they got turned. I don't think the show (or Kotaro) cares how. However, given that remains in Japan are usually cremated... I'm going with necromancy. They're more revenants at this point, really.

There isn't a reason because it doesn't matter because it's a comedy show and it doesn't need worldbuilding and plotholes don't matter, only being funny does.

That said, my fan theory is that Yamada Tae is some sort of patient zero zombie that is hundreds of years old and is the key to zombifying the other girls, which is why she's part of the group in spite of the fact she can't dance, can't sing, can't speak, can't follow instructions, constantly ruins their shows by losing body parts or trying to eat people or random things, and generally is a massive liability for blowing their cover. (I mean, that or she's just there because she makes lots of funny moments for the other girls to cover up and they don't question it because Rule of Funny.)

AdventZero said:

So, if she can technically move under her own power, has free will, can communicate her thoughts to others... She's technically not a corpse, right? Just a "person in perpetual mid-rot with random chances of limbs falling off" or something to that effect.

Yup. Totally not necrophilia.

Well, how DO you define a living person?

It used to be the case that someone was legally dead when their heart stopped beating... but then defibrillators were invented, and people could be brought back from legal "death", proving that it wasn't such a good definition (since, you know, death triggers inheritance among other legal factors). Meanwhile, if a pulse is all it takes to be alive, then brain dead people on mechanical life support are more person than the girl who can sing and dance and have a conversation with you. See Terri Shiavo. A person in cryogenic stasis is no longer displaying signs of life, but are considered to still be alive so long as they can be brought back to the normal state of living, but a once-dead, but now revived zombie is not? The zombie girls think like a living beings, eat like living beings, walk and talk like living beings and can blend into human society so long as their scars are covered up, so what actually defines "death" in a way that wouldn't exclude things we currently think of being as alive, or include things we think of as dead or even animal or inanimate?

The definition of "person" is more legally complicated than you may think.

You can act like it's simple if you don't analyze it, but that's just because it seems settled in all but a few edge cases for now. Laws about what counts as a living person with the rights of a person will have to reckon with issues never before encountered as science makes things possible, such as genetically modified animals with human-level intelligence or general artificial intelligences at human level or higher.

Furthermore, laws depend upon locality, and the intent of the law can matter a lot when it's something that's unprecedented. (British law is basically all precedent.) Most laws against "necrophilia" are actually against "disrespecting the dead" or "disturbing the dead", which would probably apply more to the whole act of their being zombified in the first place, not how you're interacting with them after they get up and start walking. Alternately, just about any interaction with them even before sex could count. Inversely, it may well be ruled that if someone walks like they're alive and talks like they're alive, they may as well count as alive.

Also, as previously mentioned, they're indistinguishable from human when in makeup. "I swear officer, she said she was human! Look at her! She totally looks like she could have a pulse!"

@Garrus on post #3316839 (yuugiri (zombie land saga) drawn by fujimi_keisuke)

2018-11-13T22:42:50-05:00

Mithiwithi said:

I would not at all be surprised if laws against necrophilia were slow to catch up with the existence of zombies. Hell, I'd be unsurprised if other laws were slow to catch up, leaving you with zombie civil rights movements. (Paging Reg Shoe...)

Ah, good old Reg Shoe. If there ever was a man born to be dead, it was him. Totally something he would do, too.

GNU Terry Pratchett.

@T34/38 on post #3316839 (yuugiri (zombie land saga) drawn by fujimi_keisuke)

2018-11-13T22:15:52-05:00

NWSiaCB said:

The Legendary Yamada Tae bites people all the time without turning them into zombies, and all the zombies seem to have already been dead before being zombified, so it's probably OK, at least so far as the "turn into zombie because of this" goes.

Someone already said that it might be necromancy.

@AdventZero on post #3316839 (yuugiri (zombie land saga) drawn by fujimi_keisuke)

2018-11-13T22:04:53-05:00

So, if she can technically move under her own power, has free will, can communicate her thoughts to others... She's technically not a corpse, right? Just a "person in perpetual mid-rot with random chances of limbs falling off" or something to that effect.

Yup. Totally not necrophilia.

@RiderFan on post #3316839 (yuugiri (zombie land saga) drawn by fujimi_keisuke)

2018-11-13T21:52:57-05:00

Laws depend on the region you live. "Abuse of a Corpse" is what necrophilia laws are usually based on. If you live in the USA there are 3 states that allow necrophilia: New Mexico, Nebraska, and Vermont.

@Mithiwithi on post #3316839 (yuugiri (zombie land saga) drawn by fujimi_keisuke)

2018-11-13T21:40:14-05:00

NWSiaCB said:

Hence, I'm not sure it really does count as necrophilia, at least in the "reason why it's a crime" sense, as they're functionally alive and sentient in terms of ability to think, move, and consent to sex.

I would not at all be surprised if laws against necrophilia were slow to catch up with the existence of zombies. Hell, I'd be unsurprised if other laws were slow to catch up, leaving you with zombie civil rights movements. (Paging Reg Shoe...)

@Garrus on post #3316839 (yuugiri (zombie land saga) drawn by fujimi_keisuke)

2018-11-13T21:25:22-05:00

TBH, I don't think we're ever going to get an explanation for how exactly they got turned. I don't think the show (or Kotaro) cares how. However, given that remains in Japan are usually cremated... I'm going with necromancy. They're more revenants at this point, really.

@NWSiaCB on post #3316839 (yuugiri (zombie land saga) drawn by fujimi_keisuke)

2018-11-13T21:11:35-05:00

NegativeSoul said:

While this is weird, considering it is necrophilia, depending on how they were brought back it might be worth it. So long as it is magic and not an engineered virus or anything.

The Legendary Yamada Tae bites people all the time without turning them into zombies, and all the zombies seem to have already been dead before being zombified, so it's probably OK, at least so far as the "turn into zombie because of this" goes.

Also, all the girls besides Tae-chan are basically just normal people in zombie bodies, so the only thing is that they, you know, look like zombies and probably also smell like rot. [*FREEZE!* *Sniff self* *Laugh nervously*] When in makeup, they also seem to pass completely as people, as nobody seems to notice even when in close contact that their bodies are in perpetual mid-rot.

Hence, I'm not sure it really does count as necrophilia, at least in the "reason why it's a crime" sense, as they're functionally alive and sentient in terms of ability to think, move, and consent to sex.

@NegativeSoul on post #3316839 (yuugiri (zombie land saga) drawn by fujimi_keisuke)

2018-11-13T20:48:05-05:00

While this is weird, considering it is necrophilia, depending on how they were brought back it might be worth it. So long as it is magic and not an engineered virus or anything.