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@Guardian54 on post #3865964 (qin shi huang and aphrodite (fate and 1 more) drawn by noah_(livas))

2020-04-18T09:49:43-04:00

Keo said:

1. lots of historical records and criticism was that he was more or less a monster.

2. I could’t help but feel as if writing that lostbelt, DW was really, really, REALLY afraid of any backlash from the Chinese players. Although, it wasn’t unfound.

3. Personally speaking, I hated that lostbelt(the world itself) with all my heart, because it perfectly portrayed everything I find distasteful about the...errr... certain mentality of said culture. Hopefully this doesn’t come off as racist or anything.

4. Either way, they did a great work on the story and further showed me how much of a masterpiece of writing the lostbelts are and Nasu himself.

I'm going to address your things point by point.

1. According to newly discovered documents, being late to garrison duty was a flogging sentence, not death. And being delayed by bad weather or other "acts of god" were flat-out "ah well, shit happened, whatever" i.e. no sentence. So the Dazexiang revolt would have started off with a false premise according to that.
I rate this plausible because someone intelligent enough to unify scripts and measures and build lots of roads isn't going to be THAT retarded on legalism.

2. It's an artefact of the Japanese inferiority complex with respect to ancient China (and contempt of post-Song China, never mind that the Tang emperors were Xianbei instead of Han). After all, considering Xu Fu set sail eastward from Shandong he either landed in Korea or in Japan.
Meanwhile in my FGO fanfic I'm going to summon Jing Ke looking like Jet Li from his movie "Hero", and the LB Qin Shihuang would look like the one from Mummy III... who was also played by Jet Li.

3. Not racist at all. It just shows the lens by which Japan looks at the concept of ORDER. The reality is that perfect order is stagnation and stagnation is death. Japan should know that all too well...

4. Yeah, no, the ancient-is-better mentality Nasu has shown time and again is a symptom of an actively dying culture that knows it's dying and can't figure out any way to halt the decline.
Which is why writing a HFY self-insert fic in the setting is so fun. Some guy with specialized breathing techniques could almost kill Saber and we know Lancelot's Uzis were so low in penetration a flipped-over bus was meaningful cover, but could still down Servants.
Therefore, imagine Asterios and Spartacus armed with remounted, stocked M2 Brownings as assault rifle equivalents and RPG-7s slung across their backs. That's the sort of FGO fic I'm writing.
That's why I'm inviting you and others to read by including the link.

@Keo on post #3865964 (qin shi huang and aphrodite (fate and 1 more) drawn by noah_(livas))

2020-04-17T20:07:58-04:00

Guardian54 said:

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Heh, it was a very interesting portrayal of emperor Qin. When I first went through the lost belt, I was very surprise at how much of a positive light(as much, but not really) they portrayed him in when many of the time lots of historical records and criticism was that he was more or less a monster.

Infact, compared to the other lostbelt it felt as if his lostbelt was the most positive(during the release) which to tell the truth, kindof ticked me off.

The entire thing read to me as if he was absolutely perfect, that every thing he had done was perfect and would continued to be perfect, having full control of everything from Hinako to the tree, and that his belt was “right” and could have worked out fine even if we did not came in. Of course, it wasn’t the case but it was what it felt like.

I could’t help but feel as if writing that lostbelt, DW was really, really, REALLY afraid of any backlash from the Chinese players. Although, it wasn’t unfound.

Personally speaking, I hated that lostbelt(the world itself) with all my heart, because it perfectly portrayed everything I find distasteful about the...errr... certain mentality of said culture. Hopefully this doesn’t come off as racist or anything.

Either way, they did a great work on the story and further showed me how much of a masterpiece of writing the lostbelts are and Nasu himself.

@Guardian54 on post #3865964 (qin shi huang and aphrodite (fate and 1 more) drawn by noah_(livas))

2020-04-17T19:29:36-04:00

And this is why your empire failed so soon. After all, the core of the Chinese identity has NEVER been to blindly submit. We listen when it is for the best and within reason, but the Chinese idea of Divine Right has always been conditional on the superior's performance. As I quoted Phoolean in my fic (link: https://forum.questionablequesting.com/threads/why-might-a-chaldea-summoner-be-branded-herbivore-fate-grand-order-adult-si.11417/page-2#post-3179959)...

你的老师说，一个民族总有些东西是不能亵渎的。
天破了，自己炼石来补；
洪水来了，不问先知，自己挖河渠疏通；
疾病流行，不求神迹，自己试药自己治；
在东海淹死了就把东海填平，被太阳暴晒的就把太阳射下来；
谁愿意做拣选的石子就让他去吧，谁愿意做俯伏的羔羊也让他去吧；
谁愿意跪天子跪权臣就让他去吧，谁想不问苍生问鬼神也让他去吧；
斧头劈开的天地之间，到处都是不愿做奴隶的人。
这就是这个民族不可亵渎的东西。

(Translation by me:
Your teacher says, a people always have some things that are inviolable.
The sky broke, we refined stones ourselves to patch it.
Floods came, we asked no prophets, we dug rivers and ditches ourselves to divert them.
Pestilence spread, we begged no miracles, we tried medicines ourselves and treated ourselves.
If we drown in the East Sea then we fill it in, scorched by ten suns we shot nine down.
Who would be pebbles waiting to be picked, let them.
Who would be bowing scraping lambs, let them too.
Who would beg of kings and ministers, let them.
Who would ask not of humanity but of Gods and Demons, let them too.
Between this heaven and earth carved apart by the axe, everywhere are people who would not be slaves.
That is this people’s inviolable thing!)

(end quote)

You may be the one to forge China into one nation by unification of language (fuck the Japanese portrayal of him with the names of his "skills", he only purged scholars who categorically rejected his order to teach only the Qin script and burnt books of other scripts, AFTER transcription into Qin script), weights and measures, but even you are not beyond the core of what it means to be Chinese... 王侯将相宁有种乎????? (Those kings, lords, generals, ministers, WERE THEY BORN SO?)