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@EAF-2000 on post #799114 (kazami yuuka and kazami yuuka (touhou and 1 more) drawn by sakurato_tsuguhi)

2016-04-10T15:26:12-04:00

saviliana said:

In other words,Why the hell not putting a jet engine on it?

The controls brick out at around 500 knots, and the whole plane tears itself apart at a little over Mach 1.

@milkyboon on post #799114 (kazami yuuka and kazami yuuka (touhou and 1 more) drawn by sakurato_tsuguhi)

2012-06-22T16:50:40-04:00

Amzingly I read the whole wall of text. Nice read tho.

@Etaoin on post #799114 (kazami yuuka and kazami yuuka (touhou and 1 more) drawn by sakurato_tsuguhi)

2012-06-22T13:47:36-04:00

saviliana said:
In other words,Why the hell not putting a jet engine on it?

Compressibility stalling right around mach 0.7, unfortunately.

@saviliana on post #799114 (kazami yuuka and kazami yuuka (touhou and 1 more) drawn by sakurato_tsuguhi)

2011-10-07T06:00:50-04:00

Robert3186 said:
Okay this just annoys me, boy don't be ragging my my fav fighter of the war, much less after you stick my fav Touhou on top of it! It's times to lay the smack down on this nonsense.

Saburo Sakai (Japanese Ace) on the Lightning:

"On my first confrontation with the P-38, I was astonished to find an American aircraft that could outrun, outclimb, and outdive our Zero which we thought was the most superior fighter plane in the world. The Lightning's great speed, its sensational high altitude performance, and especially its ability to dive and climb much faster than the Zero presented insuperable problems for our fliers. The P-38 pilots, flying at great height, chose when and where they wanted to fight with disastrous results for our own men. The P-38 boded ill for the future and destroyed the morale of the Zero fighter pilot."

The ONLY way a Zero had a chance was if a P-38 pilot made the insane choice to engage it in a flat turning fight at low attitude under 250 mph. Any vertical, high altitude, or high speed maneuvering massively favored the P-38 in all aspects. Only the Ki-44 and Ki-84 came close to parity, but nothing produced through out the entire war acutally performed notably better then the P-38s introduced in 1942, which is rather telling.

In Europe it was a closer contest the Me-109 in basically any model past the F could out climb any P-38 giving it a good out, but it was a bad diver like the 38 and so could not escape that way. The Fw-190 was the inverse only the fairly rare D9 could outclimb the P-38 by a fair margin. The original radial engine 190s where not a great in the vertical and only roughly equal becoming notably inferior above 15,000 feet. They where better divers though and so if they had height and some lead could use that as an escape. This became less effective with the addition of dive breaks on later P-38s though, they couldn't dive as fast, but they could safety follow at a distance and reel in the 190 as he was forced to pull out after his dive. The 190 and 109 where faster at low levels, but slower at high altitude, given that p-38s flew escort for high altitude bombing raids this often meant speed favored the P-38.

Surprisingly enough both turned noticeably worse the then the P-38 and the 109 rolled worse as well. (assuming the 38 pilot was experienced in using throttle to aid his rolls) Both the 190 and the 109 had high wind loading and minimal flaps. The P-38 had lower wing loading and very effective flaps often utilized a few notches down in combat. Earlier models had heavy controls which did make it a handful at low level, but most of the models that saw heavy combat in Europe and later Pacific battles had boosted ailerons which allowed full use of this advantage.

Another little known fact was the P-38 had very low drag and accelerated quickly. This is often ignored in favor of quoting top speeds, but in a maneuvering fight acceleration arguably matters more as it determines how fast you can regain energy after bleeding it on maneuvers. Overall the P-38 was extremely competitive with any fighter in the war. If the K model with better props that fully took advantage of power increases of later engines had been produced it would have outclimbed almost anything besides an 109K or a late mark Spitfire and had speed approaching a P-51 at altitude, with better handling to boot.

Alas in one of those near sighted bonehead moves of war the government refused to allow a few weeks interruption of production to allow the retooling to produce the K model. Then again the reasoning for that is something of an endorsement itself. The reasoning was that every P-38 possible was needed and no interruption in it's production could be tolerated...

In other words,Why the hell not putting a jet engine on it?

@Robert3186 on post #799114 (kazami yuuka and kazami yuuka (touhou and 1 more) drawn by sakurato_tsuguhi)

2010-12-03T06:19:30-05:00

Okay this just annoys me, boy don't be ragging my my fav fighter of the war, much less after you stick my fav Touhou on top of it! It's times to lay the smack down on this nonsense.

Saburo Sakai (Japanese Ace) on the Lightning:

"On my first confrontation with the P-38, I was astonished to find an American aircraft that could outrun, outclimb, and outdive our Zero which we thought was the most superior fighter plane in the world. The Lightning's great speed, its sensational high altitude performance, and especially its ability to dive and climb much faster than the Zero presented insuperable problems for our fliers. The P-38 pilots, flying at great height, chose when and where they wanted to fight with disastrous results for our own men. The P-38 boded ill for the future and destroyed the morale of the Zero fighter pilot."

The ONLY way a Zero had a chance was if a P-38 pilot made the insane choice to engage it in a flat turning fight at low attitude under 250 mph. Any vertical, high altitude, or high speed maneuvering massively favored the P-38 in all aspects. Only the Ki-44 and Ki-84 came close to parity, but nothing produced through out the entire war acutally performed notably better then the P-38s introduced in 1942, which is rather telling.

In Europe it was a closer contest the Me-109 in basically any model past the F could out climb any P-38 giving it a good out, but it was a bad diver like the 38 and so could not escape that way. The Fw-190 was the inverse only the fairly rare D9 could outclimb the P-38 by a fair margin. The original radial engine 190s where not a great in the vertical and only roughly equal becoming notably inferior above 15,000 feet. They where better divers though and so if they had height and some lead could use that as an escape. This became less effective with the addition of dive breaks on later P-38s though, they couldn't dive as fast, but they could safety follow at a distance and reel in the 190 as he was forced to pull out after his dive. The 190 and 109 where faster at low levels, but slower at high altitude, given that p-38s flew escort for high altitude bombing raids this often meant speed favored the P-38.

Surprisingly enough both turned noticeably worse the then the P-38 and the 109 rolled worse as well. (assuming the 38 pilot was experienced in using throttle to aid his rolls) Both the 190 and the 109 had high wind loading and minimal flaps. The P-38 had lower wing loading and very effective flaps often utilized a few notches down in combat. Earlier models had heavy controls which did make it a handful at low level, but most of the models that saw heavy combat in Europe and later Pacific battles had boosted ailerons which allowed full use of this advantage.

Another little known fact was the P-38 had very low drag and accelerated quickly. This is often ignored in favor of quoting top speeds, but in a maneuvering fight acceleration arguably matters more as it determines how fast you can regain energy after bleeding it on maneuvers. Overall the P-38 was extremely competitive with any fighter in the war. If the K model with better props that fully took advantage of power increases of later engines had been produced it would have outclimbed almost anything besides an 109K or a late mark Spitfire and had speed approaching a P-51 at altitude, with better handling to boot.

Alas in one of those near sighted bonehead moves of war the government refused to allow a few weeks interruption of production to allow the retooling to produce the K model. Then again the reasoning for that is something of an endorsement itself. The reasoning was that every P-38 possible was needed and no interruption in it's production could be tolerated...

@Etaoin on post #799114 (kazami yuuka and kazami yuuka (touhou and 1 more) drawn by sakurato_tsuguhi)

2010-12-01T14:53:57-05:00

Considering that the P-38 had more Japanese aircraft kills than any other fighter in the entire USAAF, the artist's source sounds a bit biased.

@Bloodylistic on post #799114 (kazami yuuka and kazami yuuka (touhou and 1 more) drawn by sakurato_tsuguhi)

2010-12-01T07:25:51-05:00

Ph.D said:
Let's see how long it'll take for someone to mention Dual Spark

Thats what first came to my mind too :D

@Ph.D on post #799114 (kazami yuuka and kazami yuuka (touhou and 1 more) drawn by sakurato_tsuguhi)

2010-12-01T06:09:07-05:00

Let's see how long it'll take for someone to mention Dual Spark

@henmere on post #799114 (kazami yuuka and kazami yuuka (touhou and 1 more) drawn by sakurato_tsuguhi)

2010-12-01T06:01:30-05:00

Artist's commentary:

Lockheed P-38 Lightning was a heavy fighter aircraft of the United States Army Air Corps.
It was known in Europe as "fork-tailed devil" because of its distinctive twin booms and superior speed and firepower. It played an active role mainly in ground strafing, where it was a powerful menace.
However, it was equipped with superchargers, and while it could reach high speeds at high altitudes, it performed poorly at low altitudes, and its maneuverability was also extremely poor. Thus it was repeatedly defeated by the Japanese Zero fighters in the dogfights of the Asia-Pacific War. The P-38 was an easy target for the Japanese, and was nicknamed "Pero-Hachi," a parody on the Japanese pronunciation of its name, "Pii Sanjuu-Hachi." (In Japanese, "perori" is an onomatopoeic word meaning "gobble up.")
However, when used in tactics making the best of its virtues of high speed and firepower, it showed its full ability. And in the skies over Bougainville Island, the Lightnings pursued and shot down two Mitsubishi G4M bombers with Admiral Yamamoto Isoroku, thus wiping out the Commander of the Imperial Japanese Navy.
After this in the US Army, once it established its role of avoiding hand-to-hand fighting and bringing in "hit and away" tactics, the P-38 was able to demonstrate its existing strengths and become a serious threat to the Japanese troops.

"Operation Vengeance"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Vengeance

@henmere on post #799114 (kazami yuuka and kazami yuuka (touhou and 1 more) drawn by sakurato_tsuguhi)

2010-12-01T06:00:46-05:00

Artist's commentary:

アメリカ陸軍航空隊の重戦闘機。
特徴的な双発双胴の機体で、最高速度と火力に秀で、ヨーロッパでは「双胴の悪魔」と呼ばれ、主に地上攻撃で活躍し猛威を振るいました。
しかし過給機を装備し高空での速度を追及した本機は低高度での性能が悪く、また旋回性能も非常に悪かった為、格闘戦で勝敗の決していた太平洋戦線では日本の零戦相手に次々と敗北、P-38をもじった「ペロハチ」という愛称を付けられカモにされていました。
しかしそれでもスピードと火力という長所を活かした作戦に於いてはその性能を遺憾なく発揮し、ブーゲンビル島上空にて山本五十六長官の搭乗する一式陸攻を追撃、これを撃墜し日本海軍の最高司令官を葬る事に成功します。
その後米軍でも格闘戦を避け一撃離脱戦に持ち込むやり方が確立されると、P-38は従来通りの力を発揮し、日本軍の脅威となりました。