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@EvilAlienMagician on post #817178 (deville of huckebein and ec divider code-695 (lyrical nanoha and 1 more) drawn by kurogin)

2011-04-01T13:14:32-04:00

(Former?) Magical Girls serieses are serious business, my friend, very serious.

@OOZ662 on post #817178 (deville of huckebein and ec divider code-695 (lyrical nanoha and 1 more) drawn by kurogin)

2011-01-17T21:03:47-05:00

I don't think I've ever seen such a large pile of gigantic comments that weren't copy/pastes or some sort of meme.
Brofists all around.

@mandrake01 on post #817178 (deville of huckebein and ec divider code-695 (lyrical nanoha and 1 more) drawn by kurogin)

2011-01-17T21:01:06-05:00

OMG! This guy will kick some serious ass, He snaps Isis neck in one hit, he's able to sneak right behind Nanoha's back(right inside into the Fortress Mode area of protection) nearly killing her, then he keeps up with Fate's lightning speed and he do that without even REACTING! ...i can just wonder how overpowered menacing Deville will become once he finally put his black armor on.

@Herrmobel on post #817178 (deville of huckebein and ec divider code-695 (lyrical nanoha and 1 more) drawn by kurogin)

2011-01-11T07:22:53-05:00

Tetsamaru said:
Then StrikerS came in and now everything really did go towards the militrastic setting. I would "Almost" compare it to the Sakura Wars series in its current form.

In my opinion (can't insist enough on it), one of the StrikerS' biggest failures is its poor overall execution. Seriously, it tells you something when its first subbing group dropped it because of the early training episodes. Training episodes are not bad, but they should at least make them interesting. Another failure is its character cast, it had grown too big, too fast; not to mention characters like Griffith who may not even ring a bell to any CASUAL who never have read the side materials. "Did you not know that guy? Shit out of luck! You clearly have not read side story manga #a!!" Most of them are anyway shoved to the side in favor of Nanoha and Fate (which appears to be one of the possible reasons why Vivio is introduced, while I have yet to see WHY Fate is considered as a surrogate mother for Erio and Caro, yes I would have liked some scenes with those three).

Overall, it is in my eyes one of the most wishy washy franchises I have seen, it's like a Super Robot trying to be a Real Robot, or a Real Robot trying to be a Super Robot. It's like, it doesn't know what direction to take and it appears, as more Force and Vivid chapters are published, that the author is just making it up along as he goes.

And the Nanoha universe is far from being as consistent as its most vehement defenders are trying to make it to be. I am occasionally checking the ew material to see if it finally got its shit together and go into something epic. But the way I see it now, it may crumble under its own weight. Which is why I wish for a reboot with clear and consistent rules for the universe like the COST of magic and what it CAN do. Because I believe I am not alone to have wallbanged when they introduced the limiters mechanism and "oh well, reckless magic use CAN KILL YOU!!!" after having watched the lolis shitting out pink beams like it was nothing.

@mandrake01 on post #817178 (deville of huckebein and ec divider code-695 (lyrical nanoha and 1 more) drawn by kurogin)

2010-12-31T16:46:16-05:00

She's probably not trying to win at all, otherwise Hayate's team's "unbeatable win streak" in their annual matches would've never happened.

I doubt so, by that point she's still stuck with Raisin Heart and the blaster system, While Hayate's team has Signum an other three Belkan Knights plus two Unison Devices in it(an we all know that Signum alone is more than enough to deal with Pre-FORCE Nanoha xD).

@Skribulous on post #817178 (deville of huckebein and ec divider code-695 (lyrical nanoha and 1 more) drawn by kurogin)

2010-12-31T14:32:02-05:00

Nanya01 said:
Slayers is awesome and anyone who says otherwise can eat a Dragon Slave.

To be fair, they're only saying that because they have the Ragna Blade shoved up deep in their ass.

mandrake01 said:
P.D.- Is quite a bit jarring to see her also being a pink postlamp on ViVid but to be fair it was part of her plan xD.

She's probably not trying to win at all, otherwise Hayate's team's "unbeatable win streak" in their annual matches would've never happened.

@mandrake01 on post #817178 (deville of huckebein and ec divider code-695 (lyrical nanoha and 1 more) drawn by kurogin)

2010-12-31T12:14:06-05:00

Nanya01 said:
What wisdom and tactics?

Nanoha's always been about "Bind them up, then blow them up with a bigger explosion".

First season? Divine Buster into SLB onto Fate.
A's? Divine Buster Vita, Divine Buster Extension Vita, Excellion Buster Reinforce, Excellion Buster Protection Program. Triple Breaker Protection Program.
StrikerS? Excellion Blaster Dieci, Blaster Three Divine Buster Quattro, Blaster Three SLB on Vivio.

So, really, nothing new.

How convenient is to forget that all the majority os said spells are created by Nanoha herself after studying battle situations, she create SLB in order to get around Fate's superiority in mana control and combat experience. She adopts the biond strategy after Chrono uses it on her and Yuuno teaches her how to do it(also requires timing and a good set up). In A's she become pissed and shot carelessly at Vita and ends beaten as a result. She uses more tricks and set up on her next fights, the battle against the Book requires her to precisely shooting at it with all she got and the berserk defense program is a humongous cosmic monster so not much strategy is required to shoot that one. StrikerS put the ice on the cake where Nanoha outfights several Gadget Drones Type-II mostly with her aerial combat skills and on the last battle where she prepares her battle plan beforehand, with a S1 old spell no less ...and IT WORKS!, sure the most notorious part of Nanoha's fight style are the BIG LASERS OF DOOM but she's a natural strategist who prepare her battle tactics and set up her spells to adapt to her opponent's battle style and reach efficient results. Fortress Mode so far has only showed on a boring routine of "shield-shoot-shield" she doesn't even maneuvers on the sky as beofre, Hopefully that will change on the next chapters.

P.D.- Is quite a bit jarring to see her also being a pink postlamp on ViVid but to be fair it was part of her plan xD.

@Nanya01 on post #817178 (deville of huckebein and ec divider code-695 (lyrical nanoha and 1 more) drawn by kurogin)

2010-12-31T08:09:59-05:00

mandrake01 said:
The sad part is that they aren't learning anything they're just getting bigger guns. I will miss the old times where Nanoha was creative and uses her improvisation to create new and versatile ways to use her magic. "Wisdom and tactics" are dead in FORCE.

What wisdom and tactics?

Nanoha's always been about "Bind them up, then blow them up with a bigger explosion".

First season? Divine Buster into SLB onto Fate.
A's? Divine Buster Vita, Divine Buster Extension Vita, Excellion Buster Reinforce, Excellion Buster Protection Program. Triple Breaker Protection Program.
StrikerS? Excellion Blaster Dieci, Blaster Three Divine Buster Quattro, Blaster Three SLB on Vivio.

So, really, nothing new.

@mandrake01 on post #817178 (deville of huckebein and ec divider code-695 (lyrical nanoha and 1 more) drawn by kurogin)

2010-12-30T12:58:19-05:00

Tetsamaru said:
There is still loads of room for improvement for Nanoha and Fate besides learning some new Bankai/jutsu/power.

The sad part is that they aren't learning anything they're just getting bigger guns. I will miss the old times where Nanoha was creative and uses her improvisation to create new and versatile ways to use her magic. "Wisdom and tactics" are dead in FORCE.

@Tetsamaru on post #817178 (deville of huckebein and ec divider code-695 (lyrical nanoha and 1 more) drawn by kurogin)

2010-12-30T07:50:26-05:00

F91 said:
Well, there is a point where characters just stop growing. At some time in people's lives who they are becomes set and there's no more room for development. I think Force recognises this, so instead it has them getting used to having to fight with new weapons and methods.

I would agree if there wasnt already alot of good stories of already adult "Protagonist"(see the quotes?) that have loads of NEW character deveolopment and are even older than Nanoha and Fate. And ofcourse, by older, i mean in relation to how they look. Wolkenritter being over thousands of years old and all. There is still loads of room for improvement for Nanoha and Fate besides learning some new Bankai/jutsu/power.

@Nanya01 on post #817178 (deville of huckebein and ec divider code-695 (lyrical nanoha and 1 more) drawn by kurogin)

2010-12-30T07:37:11-05:00

Tetsamaru said:
This guy knows what hes talking about. Bro-fist?
While i will admit, its normal to think of the extremes for magical girl animes. The same can be said for any genre as well. If we're gonna bring up oldschool, I really suggest people also watch some Slayers.(Ya, its not exactly a "Magical girl" show)

Slayers is awesome and anyone who says otherwise can eat a Dragon Slave.

@sgcdonmai on post #817178 (deville of huckebein and ec divider code-695 (lyrical nanoha and 1 more) drawn by kurogin)

2010-12-30T05:05:30-05:00

The manga is only 14 chapters in. I think you're jumping the gun with regards to estimating the series' story progression.

@F91 on post #817178 (deville of huckebein and ec divider code-695 (lyrical nanoha and 1 more) drawn by kurogin)

2010-12-29T20:01:07-05:00

Comartemis said:
I would agree with you on this point but for two reasons: first, Touma had magic and a device before the series even started, so he wasn't ordinary enough to be a magical boy. Second, he's not the main character. Not anymore at least.

Consider the setting, though. He was normal by Mid Childan standards. Getting his hands on the powerful Divider abilities is akin to a magicless person getting basic magic.

I wouldn't say it's gotten to Destiny levels yet, as Thoma is still a focal point. Heck, he's -the- focal point as right now everyone is trying to save him. Nanoha hasn't taken over quite yet and the manga does remember he's the protagonist. I say it'll be determined by what happens to him after he's back to normal.

Well, there is a point where characters just stop growing. At some time in people's lives who they are becomes set and there's no more room for development. I think Force recognises this, so instead it has them getting used to having to fight with new weapons and methods.

@Comartemis on post #817178 (deville of huckebein and ec divider code-695 (lyrical nanoha and 1 more) drawn by kurogin)

2010-12-29T18:15:34-05:00

F91 said:
If that's the case then certainly Thoma falls under this category. Well, except him being boy, anyways. Or you could look at it as Nanoha and the others continuing to develop as characters because of their magical powers and the situations they wind up in.

I would agree with you on this point but for two reasons: first, Touma had magic and a device before the series even started, so he wasn't ordinary enough to be a magical boy. Second, he's not the main character. Not anymore at least.

That's the reason why Force sucks even as a pure sci-fi series, the main character got just enough development to make him sympathetic before Tsuzuki dumped him and brought the old heroes back. Touma then turns from a strong character fighting to protect a girl he likes into a wishy-washy victim who can't solve his own problems and needs Nanoha to come swooping in to befriend the hell out of him. The last time I saw a series pull this kind of bullshit main character switcheroo, I was watching Gundam Seed Destiny. What does that tell you?

The point about Nanoha and the rest continuing to develop as characters would be valid... if they actually got any development to begin with. The last time Nanoha had major developments as a character was when she took her first fumbling steps into motherhood, which was only briefly touched upon in StrikerS and has been mostly ignored even in ViVid (which is mostly about Vivio's character development, not Nanoha's). I would love to see a series where Nanoha continues to try to figure out how to be a mother while Vivio tries to figure out how to be a normal girl her age, but evidently Tsuzuki isn't interested in good old-fashioned character growth anymore.

@F91 on post #817178 (deville of huckebein and ec divider code-695 (lyrical nanoha and 1 more) drawn by kurogin)

2010-12-29T16:49:54-05:00

Comartemis said:
What makes a magical girl is that the story is usually about a normal kid or teenager getting magical powers and then developing as a character because of them and the situations they wind up in.

If that's the case then certainly Thoma falls under this category. Well, except him being boy, anyways. Or you could look at it as Nanoha and the others continuing to develop as characters because of their magical powers and the situations they wind up in.

I never said that all magic girl titles are kiddie. I just said that the majority of them are aimed at young girls. I describe things like the power of friendship as 'kiddie' because, in most cases, such things only appeal to kids because most adults know that in reality things don't work that way. Please note my use of words like "majority" and "most." There is certainly stuff out there that match your description of magic girl and are exceptions.

@Comartemis on post #817178 (deville of huckebein and ec divider code-695 (lyrical nanoha and 1 more) drawn by kurogin)

2010-12-29T13:24:31-05:00

If the only prerequisite to being a magical girl show were to feature girls with magical powers then the genre would encompass shows like Zero no Tsukaima, Fate/Stay Night, Slayers, and dozens of others. What makes a magical girl is that the story is usually about a normal kid or teenager getting magical powers and then developing as a character because of them and the situations they wind up in. It's a lot like the Sentai genre in that respect. Try comparing Pretty Cure to Kamen Rider sometime, I think you'll be surprised how similar they are under the hood.

Mai-Hime is unusual because it's a deconstruction of the magical girl genre, but it's definitely a magical girl series despite the fact that it isn't very "kiddie". If you ever get around to reading Sailor Nothing, I think you'll find it's a lot like what happens when Sailor Moon meets Evangelion in a dark alley; definitely not for kids despite being strongly inspired and heavily based off of one of the hallmark "kiddie" magical girl shows.

@F91 on post #817178 (deville of huckebein and ec divider code-695 (lyrical nanoha and 1 more) drawn by kurogin)

2010-12-29T10:49:42-05:00

Comartemis said:
You aren't just being narrow-minded, you're also being kind of dense. Nanoha Classic had 3 of the 4 traits you listed and you could make a decent argument for the fourth one as well. And boy, the first season sure was shallow and kiddie-oriented, wasn't it? *eyeroll*

I think your problem is that you have no experience with really fun and creative magical girl shows besides Nanoha so you assume they're all generic kiddie crap. My advice is that you do a little research, watch or read a few seasons. Start by Googling these terms: "Mai-Hime", "Prisma Ilya", and "Sailor Nothing".

Don't be putting words in my mouth. I didn't say that stuff was 'generic kiddie crap.' I said it would make things more kiddie, which it would. Nanoha has always been aimed at an adult male audience, and Force in particular deals with an actual life or death struggle. I know those elements were in season 1, and I liked season 1 just fine. But since you're saying you don't like Force because it's missing that 'magic girl' aspect of it, I listed off things that are considered 'magic girly' that is no longer present. Such things would detract from Force's serious story.

I've seen my fair share of magic girl stuff and I enjoyed them plenty. I've seen My HiME, though I wouldn't call it a magic girl show. The girls had super powers, sure, but the tone and feel of it certainly wasn't like Cardcaptor Sakura or Shugo Chara. My Otome is more like a magic girl show, I'd say, but I guess it all depends on what counts as a magic girl show. Is the only requirement to have girls with magic powers? If so, then Force is still a magic girl title, it's just that the 'girls' in question are in their 20s.

@Tetsamaru on post #817178 (deville of huckebein and ec divider code-695 (lyrical nanoha and 1 more) drawn by kurogin)

2010-12-28T22:27:22-05:00

mandrake01 said:
Oh and if you think that the power of frindship and will are kiddie elements just watch Magic Knight Rayearth(one of the toughest teams of Magical Girls in history).

This guy knows what hes talking about. Bro-fist?
While i will admit, its normal to think of the extremes for magical girl animes. The same can be said for any genre as well. If we're gonna bring up oldschool, I really suggest people also watch some Slayers.(Ya, its not exactly a "Magical girl" show)

@mandrake01 on post #817178 (deville of huckebein and ec divider code-695 (lyrical nanoha and 1 more) drawn by kurogin)

2010-12-28T21:46:17-05:00

Lord_Enki said:
Awesome ax is awesome.

Simple as that.

Even after my exposition i can't deny that.

...awesome indeed xD

@Lord_Enki on post #817178 (deville of huckebein and ec divider code-695 (lyrical nanoha and 1 more) drawn by kurogin)

2010-12-28T21:40:36-05:00

Awesome ax is awesome.

Simple as that.