Comments on commenter:SamoanPup

@Icewarrior on post #3362829 (homura and rex (xenoblade and 1 more) drawn by k-you_(pixiv))

2020-01-13T08:44:26-05:00

Unbreakable said:

just look at those shoulders for example.

Oh god they look like skin slim jims. xD

@azurelorochi on post #3565624 (saitou and hitmontop (pokemon and 2 more) drawn by gazacy_(dai))

2019-07-17T05:26:46-04:00

Pronak said:

stuffs

Thing is, people can have opinions. People can think Garbordor is the worst Pokemon ever, some might love it for its goofy design, some might hate it at first and grew to love it maybe after using it in a Nuzlocke.

People have opinions, people have the rights to express it and compare/contrast it to the others. That sort of thing should be encouraged.

Though when everyone takes any slightest shadow of disagreement as a personal attack, that is indeed an issue. But it also is problematic when the only "peaceful" option is for everyone to "shut up and deal with it, GF is too big to care about your opinion", since then you're not solving any problems, you're just ignoring them.

There may be EA who will continue to act like the worst company they are no matter what people say, and there's Paramount who's actually willing to listen to fan outcries for the sake of making the better end product.

People could and should be vocal as long as they're civil. Not saying every fan crusade is right, but again saying "everyone should just shut up", isn't helping.

@Pronak on post #3565624 (saitou and hitmontop (pokemon and 2 more) drawn by gazacy_(dai))

2019-07-17T01:27:19-04:00

I've been trying to be really far from these kinds of fights since the Nessa "controversy". It's kinda sad how the announcement of a beloved franchise is now a battle ground for fans against other fans or even baitters or trolls.

Guys, it's always been like this; people complaining isn't something new: "These new pokemons looks like digimons", "these new pokemons doesn't have a great design", "the new protagonist looks boorish/too sexual", "the starters are crap/I bet there's going to be another fire/fighter starter", and that.

But seems like in recent years, people take criticism at something they like/follows as a personal attack. It's just a game. Nintendo is still going to make more games after Shield/Sword and your opinion about that isn't going to change anything.

@azurelorochi on post #3565624 (saitou and hitmontop (pokemon and 2 more) drawn by gazacy_(dai))

2019-07-17T00:44:18-04:00

The fact that people are getting downvoted left and right here is exactly my point.

It's not the first, second or tenth time I've seen this on this site. I write a short, inoffensive comment disagreeing with someone or the art with the most neutral tone possible, people misinterpreted it and downvote, then call me an idiot. I write a longer post explaining my stance with more clarity, people tl;dr it, downvote, then call me an idiot. In both cases, very rarely do the ones downvoting give any form of counterarguments outside of "you disagree = you're dumb".

It's infuriating to have to deal with these people, often when they're not even the person you're talking to. It's not the downvote I'm annoyed by, it's not being called idiot, it's the attitude of people who doesn't care to explain themselves and Danbooru's very own voting system that seems to be suggesting this type of behavior is justified.

It's not that I think my posts are more important than the others, again looking in this very own thread, everyone else also had their posts downvoted, regardless of what they're saying. That's the issue I'm annoyed with.

@NWSiaCB on post #3565624 (saitou and hitmontop (pokemon and 2 more) drawn by gazacy_(dai))

2019-07-16T22:10:50-04:00

rom_collector said:

I just say this. If I ever wanted to read whatever someone looks up on Google to sound knowledgeable or interesting about any topic I would do it by my own instead. Posting a large wall of text everyone can look for denotes you don't know anything you talk about or you are simply burying your opinion into copy pasted garbage in an attempt to try "winning an argument" by hiding, diluting it or deviating the topic. No quality worth read... and that's why avoid NWSiaCB comments. I could almost bet he even sets off a timer to flood twice this place every hour.

Anyone can and everyone does ignore topics one is not interested in. Using other people's discussions as an excuse simply to disrespect others for even having a conversation regardless of content is simply trolling. To claim that knowing what one is talking about and using supporting facts to make a persuasive argument is somehow trying to ruin a discussion that apparently "should" be held only by covering one's ears from any facts they didn't want to hear and shouting "LALALA" is the height of anti-intellectualism.

The simple fact that you're not even attempting to make any argument but simply to insult other users shows that this whole thing is a bad-faith argument you're simply using as an excuse for trolling. Apparently, one negative feedback for failing to understand howto:Comment was not enough?

@Blindga on post #3565624 (saitou and hitmontop (pokemon and 2 more) drawn by gazacy_(dai))

2019-07-16T22:07:58-04:00

NWSiaCB said:

You do not seem to understand how conversations are supposed to work. Making posts just to say TL;DR is simply flameposting and trolling, and that is never appropriate online or offline. If people want to start insulting others and starting arguments for having even civil discussions in public spaces, then there's going to need to be negative feedback or even moderation brought in.

I did not say that. You have to know that is not what I meant. I sincerely mean no harm, but I insist on what I said. I'm not making that up either, some of those lines are verbatim from my Technical Writing 1 teacher when I was studying engineering on the section for how to give persuasive instructions and being likeable as a manager. I'm very passionate about writing when I write seriously, and I only ever give this spiel advice seriously because I've gotten it to work multiple times in my life.

I'm not saying civil discourse isn't allowed here. I'm not saying its appropriate to tell people to "shut up and fap"; those people are wrong and should be ignored. I'm not saying there isn't any kind civil discussion here (there is some). I'm just saying encourage civil discourse and understanding by actually making civil discourse and leaving room in posts for replies in the future. Passive-aggressive and long-winded speeches with no context will annoy most people and attract the wrong kind of response, especially on public internet spaces.

I don't want to interrupt anyone any further on this, as this is way too off topic for Pokémon. I'm just offering my thoughts in hope that they help someone who reads them.

@Saladofstones on post #3565624 (saitou and hitmontop (pokemon and 2 more) drawn by gazacy_(dai))

2019-07-16T22:03:45-04:00

Alright lets dial back the personal attacks and chill fellas.

@rom_collector on post #3565624 (saitou and hitmontop (pokemon and 2 more) drawn by gazacy_(dai))

2019-07-16T21:54:55-04:00

I just say this. If I ever wanted to read whatever someone looks up on Google to sound knowledgeable or interesting about any topic I would do it by my own instead. Posting a large wall of text everyone can look for denotes you don't know anything you talk about or you are simply burying your opinion into copy pasted garbage in an attempt to try "winning an argument" by hiding, diluting it or deviating the topic. No quality worth read... and that's why avoid NWSiaCB comments. I could almost bet he even sets off a timer to flood twice this place every hour.

@NWSiaCB on post #3565624 (saitou and hitmontop (pokemon and 2 more) drawn by gazacy_(dai))

2019-07-16T20:39:37-04:00

Blindga said:

posting pages of highly informational text is rude and never appropriate online or offline.

You do not seem to understand how conversations are supposed to work. Making posts just to say TL;DR is simply flameposting and trolling, and that is never appropriate online or offline. If people want to start insulting others and starting arguments for having even civil discussions in public spaces, then there's going to need to be negative feedback or even moderation brought in.

@NWSiaCB on post #3565624 (saitou and hitmontop (pokemon and 2 more) drawn by gazacy_(dai))

2019-07-16T20:36:34-04:00

azurelorochi said:

Again to reiterate. My point is that Gigantamax is really just Megas, but now GF is hailing it as the next new revolutionary awesome thing when it clearly is not. That is what I meant by "hurting the series' originality". Who's to say in Gen 9 they won't just take Gigantamax out, put in some other alternate form mechanics and rename it all over again when it effectively does the same thing.

That's exactly what they'll do, because they have no other choice. They'll have Y-Power bracelets in the next game or have a Petaevolution that's really just megaevolution with a new label because renaming their mechanics is just a hollow marketing stunt to excite kids while being ignored by experienced players. Again, that's exactly what they do with whatever the legendary of the new game is or the Team Whatever of the game. They come out and make a big deal of the one-per-party power each time the same way they make a big deal out of how powerful Kygore is even though it's gone by the next game. Again, you're acting like Gigantamax is somehow taking away Megas and this is a big deal even when you admit it's the same thing and that it therefore isn't important at all.

Has Pokemon suffered a "loss of identity" from having Team Rocket forgotten or the super-important god-tier pokemon they put on the box art never be mentioned again? Has Pokemon "ruined the balance" by nerfing meta-dominating pokemon like Mewtwo or Talonflame?

@Blindga on post #3565624 (saitou and hitmontop (pokemon and 2 more) drawn by gazacy_(dai))

2019-07-16T20:32:49-04:00

rom_collector said:

I don't know who is abusing the voting system, neither I do care. It means someone read me and the SHORT comment reached its purpose. I see many long comments here, but just like NWSiaCB's ones I simply ignore. tl;dr poor quality content for something that should be simple explanations.

Very much this. Thank you for saying this the numerous time I have wanted to in the past.

Everyone is entitled to try to have some legitimate discussion here and there, and that's fine and normal as long as it is well formatted, neat, and concise as possible. Ranting at others or posting pages of highly informational text is rude and never appropriate online or offline. I don't consider how I normally write to be too long (or most of these comments for that matter), but proper context varies when online, and people lose their cool and mess up sometimes.

Ultimately, choosing your words carefully and focusing on key points is a fine art that shows you know more about what your are saying and makes you appear more intelligent and charismatic. Rambling is, again, rude when uncalled for, and makes you seem desperate and agitated.

There is context for long speech, but public internet space is not always it. Outside of that, make your writing more likable if you want anyone to read it. That's not calling anyone here out (I also got my comment put away on this topic), that's simply the way the world works.

@rom_collector on post #3565624 (saitou and hitmontop (pokemon and 2 more) drawn by gazacy_(dai))

2019-07-16T19:45:47-04:00

I don't know who is abusing the voting system, neither I do care. It means someone read me and the SHORT comment reached its purpose. I see many long comments here, but just like NWSiaCB's ones I simply ignore. tl;dr poor quality content for something that should be simple explanations.

If you get triggered for a downvote, that's just a legitimate proof of self-righteousness. Your comment is not more important that any other, upvoted or not. If you do care, then maybe you are touching the topic in the wrong place. Maybe you need to talk about your for children yearly game with deviated fetishes for adults somewhere else you get taken seriously. 4chan and Furaffinity could be good candidates. GameFAQs if you really do care for the core gameplay.

@Mithiwithi on post #3565624 (saitou and hitmontop (pokemon and 2 more) drawn by gazacy_(dai))

2019-07-16T17:11:31-04:00

azurelorochi said:

To the people who will just downvote this just because it's long

That's not why I'm downvoting.

EDIT: Since someone thought this was worth undoing my self-downvote, I will explain. What I downvoted was posts whining about being downvoted. I actually upvoted azurelorochi's posts that were actually sensible commentary, though that wasn't enough to rescue some of them.

Accordingly, whoever upvoted me, I would be obliged if you would undo your upvote, since this comment itself is a form of wanking about upvotes and downvotes and thus does not deserve to be visible by default.

@HaroldRowsdower on post #3565624 (saitou and hitmontop (pokemon and 2 more) drawn by gazacy_(dai))

2019-07-16T16:57:35-04:00

The gimmicks being gimmicks even makes sense in an in-story context - every region has their own local cultural specialty when it comes to combat techniques, based on their own history and Legendaries' gifts. Why would Poke-brits do the technique that involves Polynesian haka-style dancing, or poke-Hawaiians do the technique that draws on energy residue from the wars of ancient Kalos?

@Garrus on post #3565624 (saitou and hitmontop (pokemon and 2 more) drawn by gazacy_(dai))

2019-07-16T15:52:27-04:00

Honestly Megas, Z-moves, etc are all really irrelevant long term. As long as pokemon remains a "mon" game, it's core identity will be intact. They could- and probably will- have a different gimmick every generation, but as long as the core is intact, I think it will do just fine. They could switch out all the mons, it might hurt. They could change up the story, it might hurt. But the core gameplay will likely remain the same as it has since Red Blue Green: choose a starter, capture new mons, build a team, travel the game world, beat game. The gimmicks are just that. Gimmicks.

@azurelorochi on post #3565624 (saitou and hitmontop (pokemon and 2 more) drawn by gazacy_(dai))

2019-07-16T04:54:23-04:00

Self-righteousness? I might ask you to read any of my previous post and please tell me who's the self-righteous ones.

The issue here is like this. Imagine you're in the public talking to someone. It doesn't matter what you're talking about, but suddenly some random guy jumps in, slaps a sticker saying "DO NOT LISTEN" onto your head and shouts "stop talking so long! We're here to masturbate!" then run away without explaining themselves or much less, listen to what you were saying.

And now you're told that is the norm, and that is how you should talk. And if you don't agree now you're the self-righteous douchebag.

Yes the sticker they put on you is ineffective, but that just made it all the more questionable to both the people who designed it and the people who go around slapping it on others.

And again, if you downvote this post, you're just proving it to me you're exactly like the person I spoke of in this example.

@BlastingNaba on post #3565624 (saitou and hitmontop (pokemon and 2 more) drawn by gazacy_(dai))

2019-07-16T02:48:51-04:00

Some people get off to self-righteousness. Ever been to tumblr?

@azurelorochi on post #3565624 (saitou and hitmontop (pokemon and 2 more) drawn by gazacy_(dai))

2019-07-16T02:34:53-04:00

To the people who will just downvote this just because it's long, by downvoting you're just proving my point that you can't be bothered to read and just want to get your little, insignificant sense of superiority by a single button push because you don't know how else you can win against one "internet meanie".

I wouldn't be so pissed if Danbooru's downvoting system doesn't double as bullshit censorship put in the hands of people like you who exactly otherwise wouldn't give a shit about the conversation.

If you're here to fap, why are you even looking at the comments? Why do you care? I'd love if you explain that to me, but I already know you won't explain because pressing 1 button is easier.

NWSiaCB said:

stuffs

Again to reiterate. My point is that Gigantamax is really just Megas, but now GF is hailing it as the next new revolutionary awesome thing when it clearly is not. That is what I meant by "hurting the series' originality". Who's to say in Gen 9 they won't just take Gigantamax out, put in some other alternate form mechanics and rename it all over again when it effectively does the same thing.

And the thing about "loss of identity" is that, because every generation will be defined by the game promoting this "new" mechanic as the best thing ever, only to be forgotten in the next.

Could go on, but I'd keep this one short. Wouldn't wanna waste more time typing in a post I know will be downvoted by people who hypocritically claim they "don't care".

@NWSiaCB on post #3565624 (saitou and hitmontop (pokemon and 2 more) drawn by gazacy_(dai))

2019-07-16T02:06:18-04:00

azurelorochi said:

Now if you wanna play competitive Pokemon, you simply just can't use Megas anymore because GF is shoving Gigantamax into your face and is telling you "forget the Megas, Gigantamax is where it's AT!" while also making boldfaced lies about how SwSh is "designed to be balanced" when again, Gigantamax is literally just Mega but even more broken.

You're acting like Gigantamax isn't just Megas with a new name and some slightly changed balance/meta, which they've always been doing between games. (You even acknowledge that they're "literally just Mega but even more broken", although I'm not sure how you can make that latter assessment until the game comes out...)

I mean, if you're complaining about how they're "taking away" your Megas, you can say the same thing happened when Talonflame got nerfed for dominating the meta, or if you go back to Gen 1, how much Psychic dominated. They pretty much have to change up the meta, especially when it starts to lock in place due to well-known exploits or poor balance. I'm sure there's quite a few players that were rather upset when their champion Talonflame was taken down a few pegs, but a larger portion of players were happy to see it go.

Gigantamax isn't a "one-off gimmick", it's just a relabeling of the same thing that's going to be around in one form or another every generation, and they're just going to use the excuse of pretending it's "something new" to rebalance basically the same thing. (And again, I'll bet anything that the same popular pokemon like Charizard are going to be first in line to get the new Megas every friggin' game.)

@azurelorochi on post #3565624 (saitou and hitmontop (pokemon and 2 more) drawn by gazacy_(dai))

2019-07-15T22:25:42-04:00

I see all the discussion, regardless of tone, was simply voted down.

PaizuriEnthusiast said:

why the fuck are you people arguing we're just trying to bust nuts

SamoanPup said:

This devolved into pure dipshittery mighty fast.

Not surprised given it's danbooru....

MxXx69 said:

Big agree.

So let me ask, what's YOUR point? Again, WHO is stopping you from going to other images and fap and do whatever? You're all basically already tl;dr-ing everything anyway, so why is it YOUR problem someone else wants to have a lengthy conversation?

It's like the only way to have a "peaceful conversation" here is for everyone to just shut up, because no one wants to apparently share any thoughts beyond which waifu they wanna fuck.

I wasn't angry exchanging paragraphs with other people, because I actually READ them and know that they're also people who want to share their perspective. What I'm pissed off at is you people who never read anything longer than 3 sentences, immediately assume animosity, and downvote everything because of it while hypocritically say we should "leave the picture alone".