Comments on commenter:krisslanza

@Abs_N_Armpits on post #650705 (hong meiling, komeiji koishi, and hinanawi tenshi (touhou) drawn by captain_freedom)

2019-09-20T17:06:17-04:00

"I'll be right back."

Koishi went to buy a pack of cigarettes and never came back.

@goomyiscute777 on post #2132306 (artoria pendragon, saber, mash kyrielight, fujimaru ritsuka, and olga marie animusphere (fate and 1 more) drawn by riyo_(lyomsnpmp))

2019-06-02T14:52:32-04:00

PlatypusTheThird said:

I know a guy who drew three Rulers.

Therapist: Your f2p friend's NP5 Jalter isn't real, she can't hurt you.
Your f2p friend's NP5 Jalter: *exists*

@user_593998 on post #3426076 (female commander and gentiane (girls frontline) drawn by cizzi)

2019-03-03T11:49:12-05:00

calliberjoe said:

i doubt that she is the one we play in the game when most of the dialogue lines are using male pronouns. its a self insert commander.

She's not, but GFL has an annoyingly vocal minority of Yurifag fans. Like usual, they need every female character to be "cannon gay" or they'll scream until they shit.

Some games you just gotta' the good with the bad...

@NNescio on post #3425689 (female commander and gentiane (girls frontline) drawn by miharu_(cgsky))

2019-03-03T05:14:41-05:00

darkspire91 said:

I think it's called a manhwa if it's Korean.

Mànhuà in Chinese. All three are written with the same CJK logograms (okay, the Korean version is a bit different), and they all refer to "comics" in the general sense (Western comics included) in their respective languages. (The component hanzi/kanji/hanja literally mean "casual/whimsical drawings", or more idiomatically, "sketches".)

The word in modern Chinese and Korean is borrowed from Japanese "manga". The term became part of the common lexicon in late Edo-era Japan, due to publication of serial woodcut printed 'comics' by Hokusai and his contemporaries.

There is earlier attested use in older Japanese scrolls and (even older) Chinese manuscripts, but there they refer to random jottings or sketches instead of the modern sense of the word, as "comics".

@user_593998 on post #3425689 (female commander and gentiane (girls frontline) drawn by miharu_(cgsky))

2019-02-27T12:30:01-05:00

iori98 said:

Like its been stated before the English verison shoehorned the male pronoun because the Chinese had none, You are literally a blank slate with no gender. And as for the event lines they literally work for any gender. I mean really you're pulling at straws when you really shouldn't. who cares if the protagonist isn't male, in the game you don't see the Protagonist and they aren't voiced so in the end what did you lose?

If the amibuous identiy of your character in a game is suddenly uprooted and replaced by something else, then you loose any sense of character identity you built up over the time spent playing.

I think that ambiguity in the CN version should only further encourage players to say, "the player character here is YOU, the player."

@user_593998 on post #3425689 (female commander and gentiane (girls frontline) drawn by miharu_(cgsky))

2019-02-27T12:12:20-05:00

iori98 said:

who cares if the protagonist isn't male, in the game you don't see the Protagonist and they aren't voiced so in the end what did you lose?

You loose part of your identity as the player character your when your gender is forcibly assigned to you.

IMO, it's best for everyone to assume that the player-character in GFL is YOU (the player), not you masquerading as some pre-assigned character from a manga that was released after the game and its main story. If you're a female player that means you're a female commander, and the vice versa.

I feel sorry for you if you'd rather see everyone shoehorned in as this new character and also happen to play the EN version.

iori98 said:

Like its been stated before the English verison shoehorned the male pronoun because the Chinese had none, You are literally a blank slate with no gender. And as for the event lines they literally work for any gender. I mean really you're pulling at straws when you really shouldn't. who cares if the protagonist isn't male, in the game you don't see the Protagonist and they aren't voiced so in the end what did you lose?

Shoehorned in? Obviously it was done with more reason. They wouldn't pay Japanese VA's to record all new lines that refer to the PC as a male just to add to a game marketed at an english speaking demographic - it's easier to just change the trans. Or by all means, question that during the next Q&A with the devs. I'd be genuinely interested to see how they answer that.

You loose your sense of, "this is me, I am the player character" when someone comes along and goes, "no, you are not the PC - it is me, Dio!".

I'd think the ambiguity lent to the commander in the CN GFL should encourage more people to say "it's supposed to be you, the player, whoever you are", not, "you're supposed to be shoehorned in as a woman who was introduced to portray the PC in a manga adaptation of the games main story."

@user_593998 on post #3426076 (female commander and gentiane (girls frontline) drawn by cizzi)

2019-02-27T11:13:30-05:00

shellshock said:

So Girl's Frontline is technically yuri now?

Nope. Unless you want it to be - the player commander is still you.

Funny how people have a way of shoving their agenda down your throat...

@illogism on post #3425689 (female commander and gentiane (girls frontline) drawn by miharu_(cgsky))

2019-02-26T23:03:03-05:00

krisslanza said:

Are the collabs canon? Because I sure don't remember seeing Noel or Elphant ever get mentioned in Arctic Warfare or something. Just because the collabs have a storyline, doesn't mean they're probably meant to have ACTUALLY happened.

The Arcsys collab is set after AW. They even mention making use of data from Architect in some of the cutscenes.
The DJMAX event also introduces a few things that get brought up later.

@Saladofstones on post #3425689 (female commander and gentiane (girls frontline) drawn by miharu_(cgsky))

2019-02-25T23:57:17-05:00

I don't have an issue with the main character being a different gender than me anymore than being in a different setting than me. There's human elements that are more base and universal than anything cultural, and that's what I attach to.

I don't dislike details for the sake of details, things like warhammer and dark souls are built on the idea of vague references to things the audience knows nothing about, but the implications are interesting enough they are fleshed out or built upon.

In Girls Frontline, the commander is a surrogate for the player, and given the player is likely not a commander of a unit of android gun-girls in Russia, I don't think its an important matter.

It seems common that an anime adaption goes with the male character, and a co-current manga goes with a female character.

@darkspire91 on post #3425689 (female commander and gentiane (girls frontline) drawn by miharu_(cgsky))

2019-02-25T22:52:35-05:00

iori98 said:
I mean really you're pulling at straws when you really shouldn't. who cares if the protagonist isn't male, in the game you don't see the Protagonist and they aren't voiced so in the end what did you lose?

I can see where Kyrozen's coming from. Think of it as the outrage at the latest Assassin's Creed and its DLC making a certain relationship canon. The option of choice and self-insert is given, only to be snatched away and then told "why do you care?"

Of course you'd care, you've invested yourself only to be removed for someone who is not you.

@iori98 on post #3425689 (female commander and gentiane (girls frontline) drawn by miharu_(cgsky))

2019-02-25T22:28:21-05:00

Kyrozen said:

AK-12 beach story. She won a friendly wager against you. She jokingly dare you to date Helianthus and be her prince. She also told AN94 that you are an interesting guy.

Continuum Turbulence. You behave increasingly machismo throughout the event. When you are being rescued by 45 and 416, you replied "For the ladies, gentleness is my motto" to 45's codeword.

And that's not counting the countless of responses and actions that implicitly imply your commander is a dude such as your dolls' retort to your molesting tendency and the oath system.

Now, I understand that in the current increasingly albeit needlessly "progressive" socio-political climate, same-sex relationship is not frowned upon, heck, it's even celebrated for some reason. That's fine in real life, you people do you. But I don't like it when it's needlessly shoehorned into a medium. I also do not like the rather rabid reception it usually gets when it does. A good story has to have merits and lessons of its own and not made simply to cater to a group.

To append my bit on collabs earlier, I'd say they are canon. You start calling Vector as Vivi after Single Master event. Her relationship with PP19 is preserved and referenced in Vector's Halloween story.

Like its been stated before the English verison shoehorned the male pronoun because the Chinese had none, You are literally a blank slate with no gender. And as for the event lines they literally work for any gender. I mean really you're pulling at straws when you really shouldn't. who cares if the protagonist isn't male, in the game you don't see the Protagonist and they aren't voiced so in the end what did you lose?

@Kyrozen on post #3425689 (female commander and gentiane (girls frontline) drawn by miharu_(cgsky))

2019-02-25T22:11:16-05:00

darkspire91 said:

Can you give an example or two? I've heard people say this, but I can't recall any gender identifying dialogue.

AK-12 beach story. She won a friendly wager against you. She jokingly dare you to date Helianthus and be her prince. She also told AN94 that you are an interesting guy.

Continuum Turbulence. You behave increasingly machismo throughout the event. When you are being rescued by 45 and 416, you replied "For the ladies, gentleness is my motto" to 45's codeword.

And that's not counting the countless of responses and actions that implicitly imply your commander is a dude such as your dolls' retort to your molesting tendency and the oath system.

Now, I understand that in the current increasingly albeit needlessly "progressive" socio-political climate, same-sex relationship is not frowned upon, heck, it's even celebrated for some reason. That's fine in real life, you people do you. But I don't like it when it's needlessly shoehorned into a medium. I also do not like the rather rabid reception it usually gets when it does. A good story has to have merits and lessons of its own and not made simply to cater to a group.

To append my bit on collabs earlier, I'd say they are canon. You start calling Vector as Vivi after Single Master event. Her relationship with PP19 is preserved and referenced in Vector's Halloween story.

@darkspire91 on post #3425689 (female commander and gentiane (girls frontline) drawn by miharu_(cgsky))

2019-02-25T15:26:29-05:00

Kyrozen said:
It's impossible for Gentiane to be the very same commander we control in-game since all of the dialogues and interactions thus far points to your commander being a dude in-game. It's especially apparent during Continuum Turbulence.

Can you give an example or two? I've heard people say this, but I can't recall any gender identifying dialogue.

@SSJG on post #3426076 (female commander and gentiane (girls frontline) drawn by cizzi)

2019-02-25T11:06:20-05:00

shellshock said:

So Girl's Frontline is technically yuri now?

Yup.

@Kyrozen on post #3425689 (female commander and gentiane (girls frontline) drawn by miharu_(cgsky))

2019-02-25T09:43:04-05:00

RhythmicApogee said:

I'd say this female commander is a character insert for the sake of the story. It's impossible for Gentiane to be the very same commander we control in-game since all of the dialogues and interactions thus far points to your commander being a dude in-game. It's especially apparent during Continuum Turbulence. So, just like how the gameplay and the in-game storyline is segregated, I think we should treat the comic the same way, to a degree.

I can see why they chose to use a female commander, though. First, they can drill home the name "Girls Frontline". Second, it saves them the trouble of dealing with waifufags pressuring them into developing some kind of romantic subplot with a doll as well as the unneeded backlash from doing so with a *wrong* doll.

At any rate, the comic seems to be affixed on M4A1 and the AR team. How the commander looks like is irrelevant, they are simply a narrative tool for the story. M4A1 needs to find a capable commander and that commander happens to be Gentiane.

Krisslanza said:
Are the collabs canon? Because I sure don't remember seeing Noel or Elphant ever get mentioned in Arctic Warfare or something. Just because the collabs have a storyline, doesn't mean they're probably meant to have ACTUALLY happened.

Well, for starters, AW (and chapter 6) chronologically happens before Rabbit Hunt. One of the cutscenes in that collab mentioned Architect knew nothing about the explosion that happened at the beginning of the collab and was just as surprised as your dolls were. Canon or not, the collabs still adhere strongly to the game's continuity.

@laisy on post #3425689 (female commander and gentiane (girls frontline) drawn by miharu_(cgsky))

2019-02-25T09:15:59-05:00

krisslanza said:

Are the collabs canon? Because I sure don't remember seeing Noel or Elphant ever get mentioned in Arctic Warfare or something. Just because the collabs have a storyline, doesn't mean they're probably meant to have ACTUALLY happened.

While collabs aren't officially confirmed canon, they at least have some amount of continuity/connection.
In world 6 night story, FNC and FN-49 officially join FAL and 57's team. The team later are part of the BBBGG collab story, where they are the main players. Later in the Honkai collab, while only 57 appears, the team was said to specialize in "oddity" cases. 57 also appears at the end of DJMax event, but the incident had already been resolved.

Still, nothing concrete of the canon of collabs. I'm just going to quote a popular saying in Chinese anime community: You think, you lose.

@krisslanza on post #3425689 (female commander and gentiane (girls frontline) drawn by miharu_(cgsky))

2019-02-25T08:26:15-05:00

darkspire91 said:

But this isn't God Slayer. And Gentiane hasn't been patched into the game. So, until Word of God kicks in, I'm not seeing your point.

And if you want to ignore the anime solely because of tone, I guess we'll have to ignore the past few collabs that are canon in-game. They've ranged from a zombie apocalypse to ending up in DDR-esque dimension. But, like I said, different story.

I know you REEEALLY want Gentiane to be in-game canon, but at least point me towards a dev post or something to support the claim.

I doubt she'd get patched in, because the game lets you name your commander whatever. It isn't like the story is fully voiced, and having an actual name to say would matter any.

Are the collabs canon? Because I sure don't remember seeing Noel or Elphant ever get mentioned in Arctic Warfare or something. Just because the collabs have a storyline, doesn't mean they're probably meant to have ACTUALLY happened.

The only proof we'll probably get, is because she's the Commander of the exact same base, using the exact same AR Team. There is no one else she COULD be. The AR Team isn't some kind of mass-produced G&K team, they are a singular, specific group. There is only one Anti-Rain Team. Only one Commander in canon has gotten to use the AR Team.

From what I've seen, there isn't any hard evidence to declare this the official Commander. Chances are it's a stand-in since the game follows the Commander's point-of-view so much. Having a silent, expressionless self-insert as a main character wouldn't exactly be entertaining to read/see.

Except that she's doing the exact same things we're doing. She helped save M4A1, and now she's rescued SOPMOD-II. She's literally doing the exact same missions we did in the game, while commanding from the exact same base, with the exact same logistics officer we have (Kalina). Gentiane is literally the Commander from the game.

@79248cm/s on post #3425689 (female commander and gentiane (girls frontline) drawn by miharu_(cgsky))

2019-02-25T05:44:59-05:00

darkspire91 said:

From what I've seen, there isn't any hard evidence to declare this the official Commander. Chances are it's a stand-in since the game follows the Commander's point-of-view so much. Having a silent, expressionless self-insert as a main character wouldn't exactly be entertaining to read/see.

I agree. As much as I am for as many cute girls crammed into my gun-waifu game, I feel like it will seem weird to suddenly do a reveal when the story has worked without it so far. However, I think it would work great if she was like a commander from another division and you worked with her and her dolls or something in an event. That would be pretty cool.

@darkspire91 on post #3425689 (female commander and gentiane (girls frontline) drawn by miharu_(cgsky))

2019-02-25T00:16:29-05:00

krisslanza said:

But this isn't God Slayer. And Gentiane hasn't been patched into the game. So, until Word of God kicks in, I'm not seeing your point.

And if you want to ignore the anime solely because of tone, I guess we'll have to ignore the past few collabs that are canon in-game. They've ranged from a zombie apocalypse to ending up in DDR-esque dimension. But, like I said, different story.

I know you REEEALLY want Gentiane to be in-game canon, but at least point me towards a dev post or something to support the claim.

RhythmicApogee said:

From what I've seen, there isn't any hard evidence to declare this the official Commander. Chances are it's a stand-in since the game follows the Commander's point-of-view so much. Having a silent, expressionless self-insert as a main character wouldn't exactly be entertaining to read/see.

@RhythmicApogee on post #3425689 (female commander and gentiane (girls frontline) drawn by miharu_(cgsky))

2019-02-24T23:24:25-05:00

krisslanza said:

I guess we are. I'm just saying, this is just like whenever a game gets an "official" adaptation. The character used in it, is the "canon" protagonist. Yuu Kannagi is the canon GE1 protagonist because he was picked in the official manga version, and was then added into the game's database as the default selection without a data import, as an example. You don't have to pick him, or use him of course, but he is the canonical one regardless.

And if anyone thinks the anime is meant to be taken seriously, well, they didn't watch that PV.

So what's the consensus on the commander for this series? Is she officially and exclusively THE commander and the video game version is one and the same? Or is the game counterpart gender-neutral to allow for self-inserting?