Tag alias: stabbed -> stabbing

@evazion: I already retagged stabbed/stabbing yesterday...

2014-09-19T14:52:04-04:00

I already retagged stabbed/stabbing yesterday according to these criteria:

stabbed -stabbing: Something has been stabbed but no one is actively stabbing.

The blade may not be stuck in (post #1523658), still stuck in (post #1520986), or stuck all the way through (impaled).
The thing stabbed might be an inanimate object (post #1213195, post #81148).
The stab wound might not be visible (post #1523658, post #333316).
They might be stabbed but the wound is out of frame (post #67042).

stabbing stabbed: Something has been stabbed and someone is actively stabbing.

Sometimes it's unclear whether someone is actively stabbing or just holding the blade (post #1624522)
Sometimes it's unclear whether someone is actively stabbing because it's happening out of frame (post #1354455).

Sometimes it's out of frame but is clear (post #67042).

Sometimes the stabbing is for comedic purposes (post #1045817, post #1775674).
Sometimes a person is being stabbed but there is no wound (post #1579322, post #1293806).

stabbing -stabbed: Someone is making a stabbing motion but a person isn't visibly stabbed.

They could be about to stab something (post #1550946).
They could be stabbing an inanimate object (post #30977, post #1562028).
They could be stabbing someone out of frame (post #534573)
They could be nonviolently stabbing something (post #1280075).

I still think it's easier to alias stabbed & stabbing to stab. There are a lot of subtle corner cases and I don't expect taggers to keep the difference straight. Separating the tags forces you to search ~stabbed ~stabbing to find everything.

@Log: stabbed: sharp object in body, not connected to...

2014-09-19T12:02:28-04:00

stabbed: sharp object in body, not connected to anything (there might be an exception to this but it's obtuse enough to not be worth noting.)
stabbing: sharp object in body, wielded by someone.
stab_wound: sharp object extracted, wound visible. Object may or may not be visible but wound is clearly not that of a slash.

If the third tag is to be created at all that's how I would expect to find them in use.

@Benit149: I always ask myself this question when making a...

2014-09-18T17:05:30-04:00

I always ask myself this question when making a distinction: What is the action, and what is the result of that action? If there are enough posts for each of these two things, then a distinction is a good idea as long as it's explained in the wiki.

Personally I'd still like to see stabbed moved to stab_wound so it's consistent with being the physical result of a stabbing.

@Toks: > evazion said: > > We don't make any...

2014-09-18T12:49:19-04:00

evazion said:

We don't make any distinction between "has been injured" versus "actively being injured" for any other tag. Why make a distinction here but not elsewhere?

We do make the distinction between "performing an action" and "the effects of the action" for a number of other tags like:

Personally I think stabbing vs stabbed seems like a fairly useful distinction.

@NWF_Renim: > evazion said: > > We don't make any...

2014-09-18T12:45:17-04:00

evazion said:

We don't make any distinction between "has been injured" versus "actively being injured" for any other tag. Why make a distinction here but not elsewhere? Many things currently tagged stabbed and stabbing aren't even making the distinction correctly.

We make the distinction between tears and crying, and we make the distinction between blood and bleeding, so I don't see why we can't make this distinction. Something like post #1719856 is a different visual from post #1562028.

@evazion: We don't make any distinction between "has been...

2014-09-18T12:17:49-04:00

We don't make any distinction between "has been injured" versus "actively being injured" for any other tag. Why make a distinction here but not elsewhere? Many things currently tagged stabbed and stabbing aren't even making the distinction correctly.

@Log: Whoops misread, ignore me. I'm super tired and...

2014-09-18T11:14:21-04:00

Whoops misread, ignore me. I'm super tired and drove 5 hours today. :<

@Benit149: Stabbed and stabbing are both verbs in...

2014-09-18T10:49:58-04:00

Stabbed and stabbing are both verbs in different tenses, which may be causing the confusion. Leaving stabbing as the active verb is fine, but moving stabbed to something like stab_wound would change it into a noun - the physical result of a stabbing.

@Log: > Benit149 said: > > but it can also talk...

2014-09-18T10:46:33-04:00

Benit149 said:

but it can also talk about how the victim received their wounds.

This would likely be stab_wound, or should be at least.

@Benit149: Both words can have dual meanings. Stabbing is...

2014-09-18T10:42:35-04:00

Both words can have dual meanings.

Stabbing is the verb for actively driving a sharp object into someone. Therefore it also implies that the person doing the stabbing is the aggressor. By this logic, an image would be tagged as stabbing if it's presently happening.

Stabbed is the past tense of stabbing, but it can also talk about how the victim received their wounds. Likewise, an image would be tagged stabbed if it already happened and we're just seeing the aftermath.

Whether or not it's murder depends on how fatal the stab wounds are. If someone is stabbing themselves, that should probably be moved to seppuku.

@Setsunator: There shouldn't be an alias as one is the...

2014-09-18T09:07:23-04:00

There shouldn't be an alias as one is the actual act of stabbing, and the other is the effect of said stabbing. Nor can there be an implication since the actual stabbing doesn't have to actually happen in the picture itself.

TL:DR
I agree with log here.

@Log: I'm not sure they should be merged, one is for...

2014-09-17T21:17:37-04:00

I'm not sure they should be merged, one is for the victim and one for the assailant, the terms at least.

@Tonny890: create alias stabbed -> stabbing Link to alias...

2014-09-17T18:16:14-04:00

create alias stabbed -> stabbing

Link to alias

stabbing seems to be the more populated tag, yet both have the same meaning.