Tag implication: :| -> closed_mouth

@Type-kun: The tag implication :| -> closed_mouth has been...

2017-01-15T01:46:27-05:00

The tag implication :| -> closed_mouth has been approved.

@zeparoh: hmm, I thought "open mouth but not enough to...

2016-11-02T22:39:03-04:00

hmm, I thought "open mouth but not enough to see inside" is default, which there's no tag for it. There're 5 stags of mouthingy I've been using:

open mouth
default (tagged with open mouth a lots due to being mistagged or going along with those implications)
parted_lips
grin or clenched_teeth
closed mouth

open mouth, default and parted_lips have no clearly line between them while closed mouth is a stable tag to use in searching. There's no argue about how to tag it, right? It's also useful to combine with other emo-mouth tags. So I prefer to keep the tag.

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I have no objection to the implication.

@user_460797: "Nobody cares about tagging it" isn't a good...

2016-11-02T15:42:41-04:00

"Nobody cares about tagging it" isn't a good reason to not use the tag, though.
But since I first saw the tag by @zeparoh I might want to ask their opinion.

@evazion: Sure, and that's because open eyes are the...

2016-11-02T15:37:13-04:00

Sure, and that's because open eyes are the default so it's not useful to tag unless it's exceptional. Same with mouths. That's why open mouth has 500k posts but closed mouth has less than 20k: closed is the default, so nobody cares to tag it.

@user_460797: Open eyes is for characters that normally have...

2016-11-02T15:12:12-04:00

Open eyes is for characters that normally have their eyes closed.

@evazion: I think closed mouth is a worthless tag to...

2016-11-02T14:48:22-04:00

I think closed mouth is a worthless tag to begin with. Tagging every closed mouth would be like tagging everything that's not closed eyes as open eyes.

@Type-kun: Are there any objections to the implication...

2016-11-02T14:31:34-04:00

Are there any objections to the implication itself? I'm a bit suspicious because almost none of :| posts are tagged with closed_mouth.

@user_441999: I'd tag post #2421496 with open mouth... And...

2016-07-14T03:28:20-04:00

I'd tag post #2421496 with open mouth... And post #2420167 is open mouth because of the piplup.

@Sacriven: > Provence said: > > So...to mention the jaws...

2016-07-13T15:46:42-04:00

Provence said:

So...to mention the jaws by anime characters is most of the time pretty meh, because it's only the mouth that is..."moving".
So...the question is again: Why shouldn't post #2420167 be tagged with open mouth? It isn't mentioned anywhere in the open mouth wiki the jaws. Otherwise posts like post #2421496 don't fit open mouth, too. Then these would fall under parted_lips.

So..the more proper question would be: What are parted lips and what is an open mouth...

Those posts are mistagged. Should be a parted_lips. The second post should be added with :d tag. Since :d is implicated with open_mouth, then this will lead to some confusion. Perhaps we need a wiki-cleaning...

It's simple actually. parted lips only applied when mouth is slightly open, like when you exhale breath. open mouth is, like the name implies, when the mouth is opened (either full or half-opened). But because the ambiguity of mouth position in some posts, it's hard to differs the usage between them.

@user_460797: So...to mention the jaws by anime characters is...

2016-07-13T11:36:20-04:00

So...to mention the jaws by anime characters is most of the time pretty meh, because it's only the mouth that is..."moving".
So...the question is again: Why shouldn't post #2420167 be tagged with open mouth? It isn't mentioned anywhere in the open mouth wiki the jaws. Otherwise posts like post #2421496 don't fit open mouth, too. Then these would fall under parted_lips.

So..the more proper question would be: What are parted lips and what is an open mouth...

@Sacriven: > Provence said: > > Ehhm, so why isn't the...

2016-07-12T20:09:55-04:00

Provence said:

Ehhm, so why isn't the mouth open is this post :P?

open mouth only applies when a character clearly open their jaws widely (like laughing). I usually use a combination of smile and parted_lips when a character is smiling with slightly opened mouth.

@Gollgagh: if the jaws are closed (i.e. in a smile), it...

2016-07-12T18:31:12-04:00

if the jaws are closed (i.e. in a smile), it shouldn't be tagged open mouth

@user_460797: Ehhm, so why isn't the mouth open is this post :P?

2016-07-12T09:33:00-04:00

Ehhm, so why isn't the mouth open is this post :P?

@iridescent_slime: > Provence said: > > Well, we also have...

2016-07-12T08:56:01-04:00

Provence said:

Well, we also have triangular_mouth...

There isn't a rule against using the triangle mouth tag with :< or :>. Using these tags in combination might be useful for describing the shape of a character's mouth, e.g., to distinguish post #1309754 from post #1080481.

And the second one is ;d, not ;).

You might want to double-check the wiki for ;d. That tag is for a "wide, open-mouthed smile" and implies open mouth, unlike a grin that merely exposes the teeth. The smile in post #2420167 shouldn't be tagged closed mouth or open mouth.

@user_460797: Well, we also have triangular_mouth... And the...

2016-07-12T08:18:09-04:00

Well, we also have triangular_mouth...
And the second one is ;d, not ;).

@user_441999: Should the :t tag be removed from the likes of...

2016-07-12T08:07:29-04:00

Should the :t tag be removed from the likes of post #2149240 then?

And :< from post #1769227?

and ;) from post #2420167?

The original suggestion is probably okay though.

@user_460797: > fossilnix said: > > I don't know about the...

2016-07-12T07:50:17-04:00

fossilnix said:

I don't know about the others, but :3 shouldn't imply closed mouth, because of expressions like in post #2361827

Yes, you're right. That would be :d + :3.

@fossilnix: > Provence said: > > I'd agree with you, but I...

2016-07-12T07:48:37-04:00

Provence said:

I'd agree with you, but I also want to mention the other tags, too.
;), :t, :>, ;>, :<, ;<, :3 etc.
Because no tag with this structure implies closed mouth by now.

I don't know about the others, but :3 shouldn't imply closed mouth, because of expressions like in post #2361827

@user_460797: I'd agree with you, but I also want to mention...

2016-07-12T01:45:37-04:00

I'd agree with you, but I also want to mention the other tags, too.
;), :t, :>, ;>, :<, ;<, :3 etc.
Because no tag with this structure implies closed mouth by now.

@Sacriven: create implication : -> closed_mouth Link to...

2016-07-12T00:58:58-04:00

create implication : -> closed_mouth

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