Tag implication: prosthesis -> cyborg

@BrokenEagle98: The bulk update request #828 has been rejected....

2016-09-24T09:13:19-04:00

The bulk update request #828 has been rejected.

Deleted due to lack of interest.

@☆♪: Your BUR makes sense to me. I'd guess just...

2016-09-21T21:52:11-04:00

Your BUR makes sense to me. I'd guess just nobody commented because there's nothing controversial about it? TBH, I'm not sure if it's worth having separate singular/plural tags, because a lot of taggers will probably not distinguish. But if we do have a distinction, the aliases should definitely match.

@BrokenEagle98: Want some last bit of input before I delete my...

2016-09-20T22:52:25-04:00

Want some last bit of input before I delete my BUR from above. If there's no interest, I'll delete it. Otherwise, the aliases need to be removed as the above BUR for Part 1, and subsequently add aliases for Robot arms and Robotic arms to Mechanical arms to preserve singular/plural relationships.

@BrokenEagle98: Ah, that's good to know. I'll be updating the...

2016-07-27T14:59:35-04:00

Ah, that's good to know. I'll be updating the BUR above to have only the unaliases for step 1 of the alias swap.

@Type-kun: > BrokenEagle98 said: > > forum #117596 & BUR...

2016-07-27T14:25:10-04:00

BrokenEagle98 said:

forum #117596 & BUR #774 Basically, it's been done, but admittedly not as a straight alias-for-alias swap as is the case this time.

Implications are a bit different, multiple relations are allowed for them.

BrokenEagle98 said:

Query... what's the worst that could happen trying the above BUR out...? Will Danbooru blow up... will it just not work...? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Could Testbooru instead be used to test out the mixing of create/remove requests, to validate the above scenario?

In this case, nothing much, latter two will simply fail if executed before former two. Regarding testing, well, the thing is that AFAIK each line from the bulk update request is fed to delayed worker queue, there are several workers and they process their tasks independently, thus creating a classic concurrency problem. Testbooru probably has different queue configuration and, more importantly, concurrency issues rarely show up on systems without significant load.

@BrokenEagle98: > Type-kun said: > > You see, I'm pretty sure...

2016-07-27T10:41:00-04:00

Type-kun said:

You see, I'm pretty sure there's no guarantee that lines in BUR will be executed in that exact order. I'm breaking such cases in two just to be sure.

forum #117596 & BUR #774 Basically, it's been done, but admittedly not as a straight alias-for-alias swap as is the case this time.

Query... what's the worst that could happen trying the above BUR out...? Will Danbooru blow up... will it just not work...? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Could Testbooru instead be used to test out the mixing of create/remove requests, to validate the above scenario?

@Type-kun: > BrokenEagle98 said: > > remove alias...

2016-07-27T02:04:47-04:00

BrokenEagle98 said:

remove alias robot_arms -> mechanical_arm
remove alias robotic_arms -> mechanical_arm
create alias robot_arms -> mechanical_arms
create alias robotic_arms -> mechanical_arms

Link to request

See forum post above.

Relevant topic: topic #11674

Edit:

On a side-topic, I had to create the above request by first having only the remove aliases in it, and then going in to edit it afterwards to add the create aliases. Otherwise I got the error, "Antecedent is already taken". I'll be submitting something to the "Danbooru 2 Issues" thread about this.

You see, I'm pretty sure there's no guarantee that lines in BUR will be executed in that exact order. I'm breaking such cases in two just to be sure.

@BrokenEagle98: remove alias robot_arms -> mechanical_arm...

2016-07-26T16:27:59-04:00

remove alias robot_arms -> mechanical_arm
remove alias robotic_arms -> mechanical_arm

Link to request

See forum post above.

Relevant topic: topic #11674

Edit:

Fixed BUR to reflect the discussion below. This will be step 1 of the alias swap. Step 2 will alias both Robot arms and Robotic arms to Mechanical arms to preserve singular/plural relationships.

@BrokenEagle98: BLUF: IMO cyborg should be a manually added...

2016-07-26T16:25:09-04:00

BLUF: IMO cyborg should be a manually added tag.

Mechanical arm(s) and not cyborg: post #2352869
Mechanical leg(s) and not cyborg: post #1946397
Mechanical wings and not cyborg: post #2409129
Mechanical hand and not cyborg: post #2036445
Mehcanical tail, eye, ears, foot: No examples, though the population size is also small

Also, there's some discrepancy between mechanical arm/mechanical arms, since 'arm' had examples of 'arms'. There are also clashing wiki entries.

Robotic arms and Robot arms are both aliased to mechanical arm, when they should be aliased to mechanical arms. This might be causing some of the singular/plural problems noted in the previous paragraph. I'll be submitting a bulk update in just a few minutes to fix this.

@reiyasona: Since we're on the cyborg topic, we might also...

2016-07-26T15:51:47-04:00

Since we're on the cyborg topic, we might also want to take a look at these tags:

mechanical_arm
mechanical_arms
mechanical_legs
mechanical_leg
mechanical_wings
mechanical_hand
mechanical_tail
mechanical_eye
mechanical_ears
mechanical_foot
robot_ears
robot_joints

Maybe we could mass update mechanical_arm -robot -android -mecha -> cyborg.

Also, robotic_legs should implicate mechanical_legs because robotic_arms also implicates mechanical_arm (btw. robotic_arms -> mechanical_arms is more precise).

@Type-kun: Rejected since there are simple prosthetics,...

2016-07-26T15:32:12-04:00

Rejected since there are simple prosthetics, not much more complex than a peg leg or a hook hand.

That said, peg_leg, pegleg and hook_hand need some tag gardening done. And cyborg definition might need some work, too. Would metal plating integrated under the skin count? Or artificial parts that are not purely technological, but powered by magic of some sort instead?

@reiyasona: > tapnek said: > > But not all prostheses have...

2016-07-26T15:30:53-04:00

tapnek said:

But not all prostheses have any kind of feedback mechanism. Also, should we count those with mechanical limbs such as arms and hands as cyborgs? You know, people like Joseph Joestar and Edward Elric?

Edward Elric's mechanical libs are called Automail. They seem to be connected to the nervous system. Therefore, Edward could very well be considered a cyborg.

@Type-kun: The tag implication prosthesis -> cyborg has...

2016-07-26T15:24:47-04:00

The tag implication prosthesis -> cyborg has been rejected.

@BrokenEagle98: > tapnek said: > > But not all prostheses have...

2016-07-26T15:20:46-04:00

tapnek said:

But not all prostheses have any kind of feedback mechanism.

Yeah, that's why the implication of this topic should not be implemented, for both the reasons you and I stated.

tapnek said:

Also, should we count those with mechanical limbs such as arms and hands as cyborgs? You know, people like Joseph Joestar and Edward Elric?

My first wag at it, I'd say yes, since they move under the user's control. On Wikipedia, some theorists claim that even contact lenses and hearing aids should count, but that's going a little too far IMO.

@reiyasona: > tapnek said: > > Being a cyborg involves...

2016-07-26T15:15:06-04:00

tapnek said:

Being a cyborg involves mechanical and working parts of the body. Most prostheses don't work like that and they're also removable. You wouldn't consider Ibarazaki Emi a cyborg, would you?

I can already see that this depends on the definition of the "cyborg" term.

Wikipedia states:

The term cyborg is not the same thing as bionic, biorobot or android; it applies to an organism that has restored function or enhanced abilities due to the integration of some artificial component or technology that relies on some sort of feedback.

According to some definitions of the term, the physical attachments humanity has with even the most basic technologies have already made them cyborgs. In a typical example, a human with an artificial cardiac pacemaker or implantable cardioverter-defibrillator would be considered a cyborg, since these devices measure voltage potentials in the body, perform signal processing, and can deliver electrical stimuli, using this synthetic feedback mechanism to keep that person alive. Implants, especially cochlear implants, that combine mechanical modification with any kind of feedback response are also cyborg enhancements. Some theorists cite such modifications as contact lenses, hearing aids, or intraocular lenses as examples of fitting humans with technology to enhance their biological capabilities. As cyborgs currently are on the rise some theorists argue there is a need to develop new definitions of aging and for instance a bio-techno-social definition of aging has been suggested.

If you follow the above definition, then you'll quickly realize that feedback is the key element. A simple prosthesis doesn't rely on feedback, whereas a robotic leg must be controllable in some way.

@tapnek: But not all prostheses have any kind of...

2016-07-26T15:09:22-04:00

But not all prostheses have any kind of feedback mechanism. Also, should we count those with mechanical limbs such as arms and hands as cyborgs? You know, people like Joseph Joestar and Edward Elric?

@BrokenEagle98: IMO, a cybernetic implant should have some kind...

2016-07-26T15:05:16-04:00

IMO, a cybernetic implant should have some kind of feedback mechanism, i.e. it reacts to stimuli from the human body. So a normal prosthesis would not count, but an electronic one that responds to nerve impulses from the brain would.

@tapnek: Being a cyborg involves mechanical and working...

2016-07-26T14:39:29-04:00

Being a cyborg involves mechanical and working parts of the body. Most prostheses don't work like that and they're also removable. You wouldn't consider Ibarazaki Emi a cyborg, would you?

@Serlo: create implication prosthesis -> cyborg Link...

2016-07-26T14:26:16-04:00

create implication prosthesis -> cyborg

Link to implication

Does having a prosthetic limb not define a cyborg?