No underwear

@SoulEater47: So I'll firmly admit to being the one who...

2017-07-14T10:12:26-04:00

So I'll firmly admit to being the one who started the tag with this picture as the main example http://danbooru.me/posts/2517835?tags=katou_yuuki someone who is wearing a full outfit with the exception of underwear. In the wiki I remember mentioning that some kimono's may apply as their traditionally worn without underwear but that should be done on a case by case basis as well as naked_ tags being unnecessary. I started that tag right before the naked_sweater trend took off which did ruin the concept for tag to me as well. Perhaps the tag could have been more specific to the example... I'm just not sure how it could have been done. Sorry for the troubles.

@Unbreakable: > BrokenEagle98 said: > > I gave the no...

2017-07-11T13:35:45-04:00

BrokenEagle98 said:

I gave the no underwear wiki a once-over...

Thanks, I wasn't sure about including no_briefs since the tag is not in use yet.

@BrokenEagle98: I gave the no underwear wiki a once-over...

2017-07-11T13:32:41-04:00

I gave the no underwear wiki a once-over...

@Unbreakable: And that should be all of them. I changed the...

2017-07-11T12:30:47-04:00

And that should be all of them. I changed the wiki to reflect that this tag should not be used but someone else checking would be helpful as I'm not sure it's informative enough.

@Unbreakable: > iridescent_slime said: > > So have I, but...

2017-07-11T10:19:03-04:00

iridescent_slime said:

So have I, but the the no briefs wiki currently suggests otherwise, so I felt some clarification might be in order.

I would go with that kind of clothes they are wearing, if someone is wearing male clothes I would use no briefs and if someone was wearing female clothes I'd go with no panties but I'm open for suggestions.

@iridescent_slime: > Unbreakable said: > > I've always tagged...

2017-07-11T10:13:22-04:00

Unbreakable said:

I've always tagged those with no panties since they are wearing girl clothes, it seems like the logical thing to do.

So have I, but the the no briefs wiki currently suggests otherwise, so I felt some clarification might be in order.

@Unbreakable: > iridescent_slime said: > > If we end up...

2017-07-11T09:57:47-04:00

iridescent_slime said:

If we end up going with gender-specific labeling (option #1), shouldn't we make an exception for otoko no ko? One might argue for no briefs since they are biological males, but panties would be more in line with the rest of their outfits and overall gender presentation. Making an exception here would also be consistent with the exception we already make for tagging short hair.

I've always tagged those with no panties since they are wearing girl clothes, it seems like the logical thing to do.

@BrokenEagle98: > iridescent_slime said: > > If we end up...

2017-07-11T09:25:03-04:00

iridescent_slime said:

If we end up going with gender-specific labeling (option #1), shouldn't we make an exception for otoko no ko? One might argue for no briefs since they are biological males, but panties would be more in line with the rest of their outfits and overall gender presentation. Making an exception here would also be consistent with the exception we already make for tagging short hair.

That sounds reasonable. The default would be the gender-specific option #1, and any situational (e.g. otoko no ko) or meta-knowledge (e.g. crossdresser) would modify that.

@Danaii: > Unbreakable said: > > I'll get to it but...

2017-07-11T08:48:02-04:00

Unbreakable said:

I'll get to it but with 400+ posts it may take a while, people are welcome to help if they want.

I've reduced the no underwear post count to ~160, the majority of the posts I tagged were naked sweaters.

@iridescent_slime: If we end up going with gender-specific...

2017-07-11T08:33:08-04:00

If we end up going with gender-specific labeling (option #1), shouldn't we make an exception for otoko no ko? One might argue for no briefs since they are biological males, but panties would be more in line with the rest of their outfits and overall gender presentation. Making an exception here would also be consistent with the exception we already make for tagging short hair.

@Unbreakable: I'll get to it but with 400+ posts it may take...

2017-07-10T23:15:21-04:00

I'll get to it but with 400+ posts it may take a while, people are welcome to help if they want.

@BrokenEagle98: Well, we can table that topic for now at least....

2017-07-10T21:54:01-04:00

Well, we can table that topic for now at least.

I'd say there has been plenty of support for nuking the tag already, so it should just be removed while still ensuring that the appropriate no_* tag is put in place prior to deletion.

@Unbreakable: > BrokenEagle98 said: > > With the above...

2017-07-10T21:38:04-04:00

BrokenEagle98 said:

With the above suggestions, we could go...

Option #1

Female

Top: no_bra

Bottom: no_panties

Male

Bottom: no_briefs

Option #2

Top: no_bra

Bottom: no_underpants

Option #3

...?

The first option works for me but to be honest, I just wanna nuke this tag already.

@BrokenEagle98: With the above suggestions, we could go... *...

2017-07-05T18:01:20-04:00

With the above suggestions, we could go...

Option #1

Female

Top: no_bra
Bottom: no_panties

Male

Bottom: no_briefs

Option #2

Top: no_bra
Bottom: no_underpants

Option #3

...?

@iridescent_slime: > BrokenEagle98 said: > > Would it instead be...

2017-07-05T17:54:43-04:00

BrokenEagle98 said:

Would it instead be more beneficial to have a no_top_underwear and no_bottom_underwear tags.

If we absolutely must have a gender-neutral alternative to no panties, then no underpants would be more sensible -- "underpants" is part of common parlance whereas "bottom underwear" isn't. "Bottom underwear" sounds really contrived and probably not as easy to remember as you're expecting, at least for inexperienced/occasional taggers.

To my knowledge, there hasn't been any confusion over when to use no bra, so I don't understand why this tag would need replacing.

@Unbreakable: I'd rather we keep the no panties and no bra...

2017-07-05T17:38:06-04:00

I'd rather we keep the no panties and no bra tags both because we have been using them for so long, the name of them is good and because those new tag names just sounds weird to me, no offense.

And for the no underwear tag, the wiki states that it should only be used for lower body underwear which makes it even more redundant than if it would be used for both lower and upper.

@BrokenEagle98: No underwear is a bit tricky in its...

2017-07-05T17:21:36-04:00

No underwear is a bit tricky in its application. Basically, it would have to be proven that a character had no underwear on either top or bottom.

However, it is awkward that we're using meta-knowledge to know what kind of underwear the character should be using, whether it be panties, bra, sarashi, fundoshi, briefs, boxers, etc.

Would it instead be more beneficial to have a no_top_underwear and no_bottom_underwear tags. That would cover both genders in all scenarios, and it would be easy to remember and tag with no need for background knowledge on a character.

Thoughts?

@user_445173: It is redundant; we already have plenty of tags...

2017-07-05T10:45:54-04:00

It is redundant; we already have plenty of tags to cover everything no underwear would, so I'm in favor of not having this tag.

@Unbreakable: Gonna bump this topic again since there was...

2017-07-05T10:21:31-04:00

Gonna bump this topic again since there was never any resolution about this tag. I still think it's redundant since there are other tags that can cover it in its present state.

@tapnek: > ion288 said: > > While I do want more naked*...

2017-02-18T14:18:40-05:00

ion288 said:

While I do want more naked* tags I suppose having a no_panties tag doesnt hurt.

The no underwear tag on the other hand is almost completely redundant as its wiki specifies it to apply to lower-body underwear only which is covered by the no_panties tag. I say almost as we do have a number of underpants less males such as post #2616746. We should probably think of a tag for them but no underwear is to general. No boxers? No briefs?

I was wondering the same thing. What about the males because they don't wear panties?