tag:danbooru.me,2005:/forum_topics/13980[REJECTED] Ice cream2018-06-22T02:09:12-04:00tag:danbooru.me,2005:ForumPost/1482202018-06-22T02:09:12-04:002018-06-22T02:09:12-04:00@DanbooruBot: The bulk update request #1617 (forum #146258)...<p>The <a class="dtext-link" href="/bulk_update_requests?search%5Bid%5D=1617">bulk update request #1617</a> (<a class="dtext-link dtext-id-link dtext-forum-post-id-link" href="/forum_posts/146258">forum #146258</a>) has been approved by <a href="/users?name=Hillside_Moose">@Hillside_Moose</a>.</p>DanbooruBot/users/502584tag:danbooru.me,2005:ForumPost/1481592018-06-22T00:03:45-04:002018-06-22T00:03:45-04:00@DanbooruBot: This bulk update request is pending automatic...<p>This bulk update request is pending automatic rejection in 5 days.</p>DanbooruBot/users/502584tag:danbooru.me,2005:ForumPost/1462582018-04-27T15:45:00-04:002018-06-22T02:09:12-04:00@nonamethanks: remove implication vanilla_ice_cream ->...<p>remove implication <a class="dtext-link dtext-wiki-link dtext-wiki-does-not-exist dtext-tag-empty" href="/wiki_pages/vanilla_ice_cream" title="This wiki page does not have a tag">vanilla_ice_cream</a> -> <a class="dtext-link dtext-wiki-link tag-type-0" href="/wiki_pages/ice_cream">ice_cream</a><br>remove implication <a class="dtext-link dtext-wiki-link dtext-tag-empty" href="/wiki_pages/chocolate_ice_cream" title="This wiki page does not have a tag">chocolate_ice_cream</a> -> <a class="dtext-link dtext-wiki-link tag-type-0" href="/wiki_pages/ice_cream">ice_cream</a><br>remove implication <a class="dtext-link dtext-wiki-link tag-type-0" href="/wiki_pages/chocolate_mint_ice_cream">chocolate_mint_ice_cream</a> -> <a class="dtext-link dtext-wiki-link tag-type-0" href="/wiki_pages/ice_cream">ice_cream</a><br>remove implication <a class="dtext-link dtext-wiki-link dtext-tag-empty" href="/wiki_pages/strawberry_ice_cream" title="This wiki page does not have a tag">strawberry_ice_cream</a> -> <a class="dtext-link dtext-wiki-link tag-type-0" href="/wiki_pages/ice_cream">ice_cream</a><br>remove implication <a class="dtext-link dtext-wiki-link dtext-tag-empty" href="/wiki_pages/yellow_ice_cream" title="This wiki page does not have a tag">yellow_ice_cream</a> -> <a class="dtext-link dtext-wiki-link tag-type-0" href="/wiki_pages/ice_cream">ice_cream</a><br>remove implication <a class="dtext-link dtext-wiki-link dtext-tag-empty" href="/wiki_pages/green_ice_cream" title="This wiki page does not have a tag">green_ice_cream</a> -> <a class="dtext-link dtext-wiki-link tag-type-0" href="/wiki_pages/ice_cream">ice_cream</a><br>remove implication <a class="dtext-link dtext-wiki-link dtext-tag-empty" href="/wiki_pages/blue_ice_cream" title="This wiki page does not have a tag">blue_ice_cream</a> -> <a class="dtext-link dtext-wiki-link tag-type-0" href="/wiki_pages/ice_cream">ice_cream</a><br>remove implication <a class="dtext-link dtext-wiki-link dtext-tag-empty" href="/wiki_pages/purple_ice_cream" title="This wiki page does not have a tag">purple_ice_cream</a> -> <a class="dtext-link dtext-wiki-link tag-type-0" href="/wiki_pages/ice_cream">ice_cream</a><br>mass update <a class="dtext-link dtext-post-search-link" href="/posts?tags=vanilla_ice_cream">vanilla_ice_cream</a> -> ice_cream<br>mass update <a class="dtext-link dtext-post-search-link" href="/posts?tags=chocolate_ice_cream">chocolate_ice_cream</a> -> ice_cream chocolate<br>mass update <a class="dtext-link dtext-post-search-link" href="/posts?tags=chocolate_mint_ice_cream">chocolate_mint_ice_cream</a> -> ice_cream<br>mass update <a class="dtext-link dtext-post-search-link" href="/posts?tags=strawberry_ice_cream">strawberry_ice_cream</a> -> ice_cream<br>mass update <a class="dtext-link dtext-post-search-link" href="/posts?tags=yellow_ice_cream">yellow_ice_cream</a> -> ice_cream<br>mass update <a class="dtext-link dtext-post-search-link" href="/posts?tags=green_ice_cream">green_ice_cream</a> -> ice_cream<br>mass update <a class="dtext-link dtext-post-search-link" href="/posts?tags=blue_ice_cream">blue_ice_cream</a> -> ice_cream<br>mass update <a class="dtext-link dtext-post-search-link" href="/posts?tags=purple_ice_cream">purple_ice_cream</a> -> ice_cream<br>create implication <a class="dtext-link dtext-wiki-link tag-type-0" href="/wiki_pages/single_scoop">single_scoop</a> -> <a class="dtext-link dtext-wiki-link tag-type-0" href="/wiki_pages/ice_cream">ice_cream</a><br>create implication <a class="dtext-link dtext-wiki-link tag-type-0" href="/wiki_pages/double_scoop">double_scoop</a> -> <a class="dtext-link dtext-wiki-link tag-type-0" href="/wiki_pages/ice_cream">ice_cream</a><br>create implication <a class="dtext-link dtext-wiki-link tag-type-0" href="/wiki_pages/triple_scoop">triple_scoop</a> -> <a class="dtext-link dtext-wiki-link tag-type-0" href="/wiki_pages/ice_cream">ice_cream</a><br>create implication <a class="dtext-link dtext-wiki-link tag-type-0" href="/wiki_pages/too_many_scoops">too_many_scoops</a> -> <a class="dtext-link dtext-wiki-link tag-type-0" href="/wiki_pages/ice_cream">ice_cream</a><br>create implication <a class="dtext-link dtext-wiki-link tag-type-0" href="/wiki_pages/ice_cream_cone_on_head">ice_cream_cone_on_head</a> -> <a class="dtext-link dtext-wiki-link tag-type-0" href="/wiki_pages/ice_cream_cone">ice_cream_cone</a><br>create implication <a class="dtext-link dtext-wiki-link tag-type-0" href="/wiki_pages/ice_cream_spoon">ice_cream_spoon</a> -> <a class="dtext-link dtext-wiki-link tag-type-0" href="/wiki_pages/spoon">spoon</a></p><p><a class="dtext-link" href="/bulk_update_requests?search%5Bid%5D=1617">Link to request</a></p><p>Resubmitting after automatic rejection. I also added an update part so that the colored versions will be moved to the main tag.</p><p>EDIT: This bulk update request is pending automatic rejection in 5 days.</p><p>EDIT: The <a class="dtext-link" href="/bulk_update_requests?search%5Bid%5D=1617">bulk update request #1617</a> (<a class="dtext-link dtext-id-link dtext-forum-post-id-link" href="/forum_posts/146258">forum #146258</a>) has been approved by <a href="/users?name=Hillside_Moose">@Hillside_Moose</a>.</p>nonamethanks/users/508240tag:danbooru.me,2005:ForumPost/1460172018-04-27T14:44:57-04:002018-04-27T14:44:57-04:00@DanbooruBot: The bulk update request #1163 (forum #130116)...<p>The <a class="dtext-link" href="/bulk_update_requests?search%5Bid%5D=1163">bulk update request #1163</a> (<a class="dtext-link dtext-id-link dtext-forum-post-id-link" href="/forum_posts/130116">forum #130116</a>) has been rejected by <a href="/users?name=DanbooruBot">@DanbooruBot</a>.</p>DanbooruBot/users/502584tag:danbooru.me,2005:ForumPost/1460162018-04-27T14:44:57-04:002018-04-27T14:44:57-04:00@DanbooruBot: This bulk update request has been rejected...<p>This bulk update request has been rejected because it was not approved within 60 days.</p>DanbooruBot/users/502584tag:danbooru.me,2005:ForumPost/1302502017-04-24T10:40:31-04:002017-04-24T10:40:31-04:00@Benit149: Alright then, I added the flavor unimplication...<p>Alright then, I added the flavor unimplication requests as well.</p>Benit149/users/248298tag:danbooru.me,2005:ForumPost/1302272017-04-23T19:14:53-04:002017-04-23T19:14:53-04:00@mock: I don't care.<p>I don't care.</p>mock/users/131744tag:danbooru.me,2005:ForumPost/1301962017-04-23T16:14:33-04:002017-04-23T16:14:33-04:00@Benit149: > evazion said:
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> +1 to this. We may want to...<blockquote>
<p>evazion said:</p>
<p>+1 to this. We may want to alias the colors to <a class="dtext-link dtext-wiki-link tag-type-0" href="/wiki_pages/ice_cream">ice cream</a> though, to prevent them from being recreated in the future.</p>
</blockquote><p>I did update the <a class="dtext-link dtext-wiki-link tag-type-0" href="/wiki_pages/ice_cream">ice cream</a> wiki today to mention that colors shouldn't be used. I think it could be left at that, and then if people are still creating tags in the future (which means they don't read the wikis), then the aliases could be requested.</p><blockquote>
<p>iridescent_slime said:</p>
<p>I get the impression that <a href="/users?name=mock">@mock</a>, who created most of those tags, made a reasonable attempt to populate them a couple years ago. Perhaps they should be given a chance to argue in favor of keeping the tags before any action is taken?</p>
</blockquote><p>I can wait if needed, but I don't want this subject to be forgotten while it's relevant.</p>Benit149/users/248298tag:danbooru.me,2005:ForumPost/1301932017-04-23T15:37:25-04:002017-04-23T15:39:35-04:00@iridescent_slime: > evazion said:
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> If anyone really wants to...<blockquote>
<p>evazion said:</p>
<p>If anyone really wants to keep these tags then I suggest they populate them. If no one cares enough to do that, then the tags aren't worth keeping.</p>
</blockquote><p>I get the impression that <a href="/users?name=mock">@mock</a>, who created most of those tags, made a reasonable attempt to populate them a couple years ago. Perhaps they should be given a chance to argue in favor of keeping the tags before any action is taken?</p>iridescent_slime/users/438068tag:danbooru.me,2005:ForumPost/1301892017-04-23T12:59:16-04:002017-04-23T12:59:16-04:00@evazion: > Benit149 said:
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> Alright, so after parsing...<blockquote>
<p>Benit149 said:</p>
<p>Alright, so after parsing through these responses, I removed the colors from the request, but not the scoops and miscellaneous tags. While the colors I had didn't have implications, some colors do have it, so I'll add those colors as unimplications. After the unimply is done, I can go in and nuke them manually, then update the <a class="dtext-link dtext-wiki-link tag-type-0" href="/wiki_pages/ice_cream">ice cream</a> wiki to reflect this.</p>
</blockquote><p>+1 to this. We may want to alias the colors to <a class="dtext-link dtext-wiki-link tag-type-0" href="/wiki_pages/ice_cream">ice cream</a> though, to prevent them from being recreated in the future.</p><blockquote><p>EDIT: Should I also request for the flavors to be unimplied and nuked as well?</p></blockquote><p>Currently the flavor tags are barely used, and I'm not seeing any posts where the flavor itself is particularly important, so I don't think anything of value would be lost. If anyone really wants to keep these tags then I suggest they populate them. If no one cares enough to do that, then the tags aren't worth keeping.</p>evazion/users/52664tag:danbooru.me,2005:ForumPost/1301882017-04-23T12:36:35-04:002017-04-23T12:36:35-04:00@user_509825: +1 for the scoop request.<p>+1 for the scoop request.</p>user_509825/users/509825tag:danbooru.me,2005:ForumPost/1301872017-04-23T12:36:04-04:002017-04-23T12:40:45-04:00@Benit149: Alright, so after parsing through these...<p>Alright, so after parsing through these responses, I removed the colors from the request, but not the scoops and miscellaneous tags. While the colors I had didn't have implications, some colors do have it, so I'll add those colors as unimplications. After the unimply is done, I can go in and nuke them manually, then update the <a class="dtext-link dtext-wiki-link tag-type-0" href="/wiki_pages/ice_cream">ice cream</a> wiki to reflect this.</p><p>EDIT: Should I also request for the flavors to be unimplied and nuked as well?</p>Benit149/users/248298tag:danbooru.me,2005:ForumPost/1301842017-04-23T11:52:02-04:002017-04-23T11:52:18-04:00@evazion: > iridescent_slime said:
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> As far as I can...<blockquote>
<p>iridescent_slime said:</p>
<p>As far as I can tell, the earliest use of an ice cream flavor tag was on <a class="dtext-link dtext-id-link dtext-post-id-link" href="/posts/1194217">post #1194217</a>, where tagging the flavor probably made sense in light of the character's design. Since then, though, these tags have sort of spiraled out of control. Is anybody really searching for tags like <a class="dtext-link dtext-wiki-link dtext-tag-empty" href="/wiki_pages/blue_ice_cream" title="This wiki page does not have a tag">blue ice cream</a>?</p>
</blockquote><p>If I'm looking at Google analytics right, there were only around 100 unique searches for <a class="dtext-link dtext-post-search-link" href="/posts?tags=%2Aice_cream%2A">*ice_cream*</a> in the past year. Not sure how precise that is, but it's not like it's getting thousands of searches in any case.</p><blockquote>
<p>Mikaeri said:</p>
<p>It's just filler tagging, the kind of near useless tagging that makes one look like a good tagger but actually isn't -- because little to no one would bother searching something as fine as "blue ice cream" when most users put ice cream and call it a day. Tagging should focus on easily recognizable details, not "how much can I artificially pad my tagging record". zeparoh's tagging is a great example.</p>
</blockquote><p>I completely agree with this. I feel like tagging has been drifting in this direction for a while now. The goal of tagging should be to make interesting things easier to search, not to describe every last inconsequential detail of an image.</p>evazion/users/52664tag:danbooru.me,2005:ForumPost/1301722017-04-23T09:16:39-04:002017-04-23T09:16:39-04:00@user_509825: > Mikaeri said:
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> I am not a fan of using...<blockquote>
<p>Mikaeri said:</p>
<p>I am not a fan of using these tags, any more color variations on a tag that doesn't show up in a large percentage of posts just doesn't require these implications.</p>
<p>It's just filler tagging, the kind of near useless tagging that makes one look like a good tagger but actually isn't -- because little to no one would bother searching something as fine as "blue ice cream" when most users put ice cream and call it a day. Tagging should focus on easily recognizable details, not "how much can I artificially pad my tagging record". zeparoh's tagging is a great example.</p>
<p>After all, if you bother to tag a color-specific tag but forget to tag the superset tag, then it does raise the concern of how you treat tagging in the first place. For articles of clothing, color is useful, yeah... But this just isn't, unless there's so much ice cream in every post that people would *bother* searching the color.</p>
<p>I say nuke all of these tags instead. The adoption and implications just aren't worth it.</p>
</blockquote><p>Harsh, but the core is correct. <br>This seems like bloating things up and creating an even thicker forest of tags. This doesn't male things simpler, since it's complete niche. Same with blazer colors which also got populated somehow <a class="dtext-link dtext-post-search-link" href="/posts?tags=brown_blazer">brown_blazer</a>. </p>user_509825/users/509825tag:danbooru.me,2005:ForumPost/1301712017-04-23T09:10:18-04:002017-04-23T09:11:12-04:00@Mikaeri: I am not a fan of using these tags, any more...<p>I am not a fan of using these tags, any more color variations on a tag that doesn't show up in a large percentage of posts just doesn't require these implications.</p><p>It's just filler tagging, the kind of near useless tagging that makes one look like a good tagger but actually isn't -- because little to no one would bother searching something as fine as "blue ice cream" when most users put ice cream and call it a day. Tagging should focus on easily recognizable details, not "how much can I artificially pad my tagging record". zeparoh's tagging is a great example.</p><p>After all, if you bother to tag a color-specific tag but forget to tag the superset tag, then it does raise the concern of how you treat tagging in the first place. For articles of clothing, color is useful, yeah... But this just isn't, unless there's so much ice cream in every post that people would *bother* searching the color.</p><p>I say nuke all of these tags instead. The adoption and implications just aren't worth it.</p>Mikaeri/users/470449tag:danbooru.me,2005:ForumPost/1301682017-04-23T05:05:53-04:002017-04-23T05:05:53-04:00@Sacriven: > iridescent_slime said:
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> Is anybody really...<blockquote>
<p>iridescent_slime said:</p>
<p>Is anybody really searching for tags like <a class="dtext-link dtext-wiki-link dtext-tag-empty" href="/wiki_pages/blue_ice_cream" title="This wiki page does not have a tag">blue ice cream</a>?</p>
</blockquote><p>There is a possibility, but I doubt those Anon visitors are meticulous enough to search ice cream through color...</p>Sacriven/users/397518tag:danbooru.me,2005:ForumPost/1301632017-04-23T02:09:21-04:002017-04-23T02:09:21-04:00@iridescent_slime: As far as I can tell, the earliest use of an...<p>As far as I can tell, the earliest use of an ice cream flavor tag was on <a class="dtext-link dtext-id-link dtext-post-id-link" href="/posts/1194217">post #1194217</a>, where tagging the flavor probably made sense in light of the character's design. Since then, though, these tags have sort of spiraled out of control. Is anybody really searching for tags like <a class="dtext-link dtext-wiki-link dtext-tag-empty" href="/wiki_pages/blue_ice_cream" title="This wiki page does not have a tag">blue ice cream</a>?</p>iridescent_slime/users/438068tag:danbooru.me,2005:ForumPost/1301622017-04-23T00:31:04-04:002017-04-23T00:31:04-04:00@NWF_Renim: While we've expanded color subtags for various...<p>While we've expanded color subtags for various articles of clothing, I'm not sure we should be doing the same with ice cream. This includes labeling flavoring, which as you say are pure guesses based on color.</p><p>The only flavors that'd be visual would be those like chocolate chip, where you have something mixed in that is visible, but you still couldn't tell regular chocolate chip from a natural (non-dyed) mint chocolate chip.</p><p>Tangential: what's with the naming choice of "chocolate mint ice cream"? As far as I'm aware the naming should be "mint chocolate chip ice cream". "Chocolate mint" can be ambiguous (<a rel="external nofollow noreferrer" class="dtext-link dtext-external-link dtext-named-external-link" href="http://www.tasteandtellblog.com/healthy-chocolate-mint-ice-cream/">external link</a>) and the naming gives a false impression that one of the base flavors of the ice cream is chocolate, when the base flavor is just mint.</p>NWF_Renim/users/13392tag:danbooru.me,2005:ForumPost/1301332017-04-22T17:54:52-04:002017-04-22T17:54:52-04:00@Benit149: > provence said:
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> I don't think that flavor...<blockquote>
<p>provence said:</p>
<p>I don't think that flavor should imply the color. <br>Artist's might draw that in different shades, for example chocolate mint ice cream might be blue in one case and more green in another case...</p>
</blockquote><p>My original request had <a class="dtext-link dtext-wiki-link tag-type-0" href="/wiki_pages/chocolate_mint_ice_cream">chocolate_mint_ice_cream</a> be aliased to <a class="dtext-link dtext-wiki-link dtext-wiki-does-not-exist dtext-tag-does-not-exist" href="/wiki_pages/aqua_ice_cream" title="This wiki page does not have a tag">aqua_ice_cream</a> for that reason, but with the <a class="dtext-link dtext-wiki-link tag-type-0" href="/wiki_pages/ice_cream">ice_cream</a> implication existed on the flavor, no edits will work unless it's agreed upon to remove the *flavor*_ice_cream -> ice_cream implications.</p><p>That why I was baffled in the <a class="dtext-link dtext-wiki-link dtext-tag-empty" href="/wiki_pages/strawberry_ice_cream" title="This wiki page does not have a tag">strawberry_ice_cream</a> wiki that it said, "Assume that all pink ice cream is strawberry," because that is a far cry from true.</p>Benit149/users/248298tag:danbooru.me,2005:ForumPost/1301172017-04-22T13:43:26-04:002017-04-22T13:43:26-04:00@user_509825: I don't think that flavor should imply the...<p>I don't think that flavor should imply the color. <br>Artist's might draw that in different shades, for example chocolate mint ice cream might be blue in one case and more green in another case...</p>user_509825/users/509825