Tag suggestion: use actual generation tags for Pokémon species, not game tags

@user_525419: > ion288 said: > > My mistake. I thought you...

2018-03-19T14:20:54-04:00

ion288 said:

My mistake. I thought you couldnt change category if a tag had more than 100 posts. Thus the request.

I believe the threshold was 1.000 posts.

@ion288: > Danielx21 said: > > This is supposed to...

2018-03-19T14:20:15-04:00

Danielx21 said:

This is supposed to convert rotom_dex from general to character, right?

OK, I did that. Now rotom_dex it's a character tag.

I rejected the request itself. (It had a typo. It called the tag *rotum_dex, but I guess it would be easily fixable through the "edit" button anyway.)

My mistake. I thought you couldnt change category if a tag had more than 100 posts. Thus the request.

@Danielx21: > ion288 said: > > category rotum_dex -> char...

2018-03-19T07:29:34-04:00

ion288 said:

category rotum_dex -> char

Link to request

Its a specific character.

This is supposed to convert rotom_dex from general to character, right?

OK, I did that. Now rotom_dex it's a character tag.

I rejected the request itself. (It had a typo. It called the tag *rotum_dex, but I guess it would be easily fixable through the "edit" button anyway.)

@DanbooruBot: The bulk update request #1520 (forum #144113)...

2018-03-19T07:24:52-04:00

The bulk update request #1520 (forum #144113) has been rejected by @Danielx21.

@Danielx21: Update: I manually removed pokemon_(game) and...

2018-03-18T22:37:32-04:00

Update:

I manually removed pokemon_(game) and pokemon_rgby ... pokemon_usum from all the applicable posts I found.

I don't claim perfection, I could have missed something.

gotta tag 'em all

@Danielx21: +1

2018-03-18T22:36:40-04:00

@G-SANtos: +1.

2018-03-18T13:00:20-04:00

+1.

@user_525419: +1

2018-03-18T06:43:33-04:00

@ion288: category rotum_dex -> char Link to request ...

2018-03-18T06:36:51-04:00

category rotum_dex -> char

Link to request

Its a specific character.

EDIT: The bulk update request #1520 (forum #144113) has been rejected by @Danielx21.

@Danielx21: > AngryZapdos said: > > What should posts...

2018-03-18T03:47:10-04:00

AngryZapdos said:

What should posts featuring the rotom_dex be tagged with? gen_4_pokemon, gen_7_pokemon or maybe even none?

I'd say to tag with gen_4_pokemon + pokemon_sm, considering that it's still an original Rotom inside and the RotomDex is a notable feature introduced in Pokémon SM. Thoughts?

>>>> About gen_4_pokemon, gen_7_pokemon.

I prefer gen_4_pokemon.

Apparently the Rotom Dex really is basically an alternate form of Rotom, a Pokédex possessed by Rotom. (Even though the Rotom Dex basically just behaves as an object in the games, as it seems you can't send it into battle -- rotom_dex is currently a general tag, not a character tag.)

Most posts tagged rotom_dex are currently also tagged rotom (with a few random exceptions) and are hence are currently already tagged gen_4_pokemon.

I think it's a good idea to keep using both rotom and gen_4_pokemon in all instances of rotom_dex.

If we decide to start using different gen tags for each form of the same Pokémon, there are other situations to deal with that I listed at forum #143997.

You know I'm in favor of always using the generation tag where the first/normal form was introduced, so I prefer using generation_4_pokemon for all current and future forms of Rotom. Much like how I prefer gen_6_pokemon for all Zygarde and gen_2_pokemon for all Unown.

>>>> About pokemon_sm.

I think we shouldn't use pokemon_sm. The Rotom Dex already appears in both SM and USUM. There's some chance it'll appear in future games and be a normal thing in the series.

When there are human trainers together with the Rotom Dex, the post gets tagged pokemon_sm and/or pokemon_usum (or some other tag if applicable) based on the people present.

Related examples:

We don't use the tag pokemon_rgby in all instances of pokeball even though it was introduced in RGBY.
We don't use the tag pokemon_rse in all instances of oran_berry even though it was introduced in RSE.

Also important:

The poketch is a DPPt-exclusive item, it doesn't appear in other games. But maybe it shouldn't get the tag pokemon_dppt either. The object does appear in pokemon_special and pokemoon_(anime). The posts still should be tagged according to the people present.

@AngryZapdos: What should posts featuring the rotom_dex be...

2018-03-18T03:02:36-04:00

What should posts featuring the rotom_dex be tagged with? gen_4_pokemon, gen_7_pokemon or maybe even none?

I'd say to tag with gen_4_pokemon + pokemon_sm, considering that it's still an original Rotom inside and the RotomDex is a notable feature introduced in Pokémon SM. Thoughts?

@Danielx21: > ion288 said: > > Should something like post...

2018-03-18T02:29:31-04:00

ion288 said:

Should something like post #906693 have the rgby tag since the trio is rather iconic from that game?

Provence said:

It's also iconic in the first or second Pokemon movie..

That post is Articuno/Zapdos/Moltres. Just gen_1_pokemon is okay, let's not use game tags for posts like these.

Arguably, Articuno/Zapdos/Moltres, either as a trio or individually, are iconic of the Generation 1 as a whole. This includes the RGBY games, the FRLG remakes, certain anime films, the first arc of Pokémon Special, and maybe some spin-off games.

So, technically post #906693 could be tagged pokemon_rgby, pokemon_frlg, pokemon_(anime), pokemon_special, and maybe some additional tags for spin-off games. But that would not be very helpful, so we use just gen_1_pokemon. Not to mention that Articuno/Zapdos/Moltres are directly obtainable in other main games like HGSS and XY.

We could also say that all first 151 Pokémon are iconic of RGBY, or iconic of the Generation 1 as a whole. Especially some groupings, not just Articuno/Zapdos/Moltres, but also Bulbasaur/Charmander/Squirtle, Flareon/Jolteon/Vaporeon, Hitmonchan/Hitmonlee, Kabuto/Omanyte, and Kabuto/Omanyte/Aerodactyl.

@user_525419: > ion288 said: > > No, Missingno has different...

2018-03-18T01:52:11-04:00

ion288 said:

No, Missingno has different appearances in different games and more importantly doesnt appear in all following games like normal Pokemon. Better to let it stay tagged with pokemon_rgby or what ever game its form is from.

Should something like post #906693 have the rgby tag since the trio is rather iconic from that game?

It's also iconic in the first or second Pokemon movie..

@ion288: > Danielx21 said: > > Very good. May we...

2018-03-18T01:50:01-04:00

Danielx21 said:

Very good. May we consider missingno. a gen_1_pokemon too?

No, Missingno has different appearances in different games and more importantly doesnt appear in all following games like normal Pokemon. Better to let it stay tagged with pokemon_rgby or what ever game its form is from.

Should something like post #906693 have the rgby tag since the trio is rather iconic from that game?

@Danielx21: I'm removing a few tags like pokemon_sm and...

2018-03-17T19:16:52-04:00

I'm removing a few tags like pokemon_sm and pokemon_(game) manually. Is there any easy way to remove them automatically by userscript?

As we know, these game tags are already way underpopulated in the first place.

post #2638693 got a gen 5 and a gen 7 Pokémon together, so under the old system it should've been tagged pokemon_bw and pokemon_sm. But, strangely, it got only the latter, which I already removed.

post #2590185 is basically the same -- it got a gen 2 and a gen 7 Pokémon together, but only the pokemon_sm tag, which I removed too.

post #2358838 was (correctly by old standards) tagged both pokemon_gsc and pokemon_sm.

@Danielx21: > Provence said: > > Ok, done now.Very good....

2018-03-17T19:08:33-04:00

Provence said:

Ok, done now.

Very good. May we consider missingno. a gen_1_pokemon too?

@user_525419: Ok, done now. There are some images that were...

2018-03-17T01:33:05-04:00

Ok, done now.
There are some images that were completely uneditable, though. They exceeded the height limit, like post #1282126.

Now to see how well populated each generation is regarding its Pokemon:

Gen 1 Pokemon : 11458
Gen 2 Pokemon : 4992
Gen 3 Pokemon : 5537
Gen 4 Pokemon : 5116
Gen 5 Pokemon : 5174
Gen 6 Pokemon : 2230
Gen 7 Pokemon : 3848

Looks like the generation are all pretty equal.
Gen 1 highly profits from the existence of Pikachu. If you make the search without tht little dude the count goes below 8000. But Gen 1 also has the advantage of Charizard, Mewtwo and Eevee + its eeveelutions.
Gen 2 does also mostly profit from Espeon and Umbreon which are also tied together with Eevee.
Gen 3 has the oversexualized Gardevoir which takes a large part in it.
The other generations don't really have THAT outstanding Pokémon, though. Especially good visible at Gen 5 which has around 30 more Pokemon than Gen 2, 3 and 4.
Generation 7 does at least have the hype surrounding Rowlet and Cosmog, but other Pokemon are rather left in the dark, though.

@user_525419: > AngryZapdos said: > > Should the wikis also...

2018-03-16T23:47:23-04:00

AngryZapdos said:

Should the wikis also include scenarios featuring objects either modelled after Pokémon or that have a Pokémon's image on them? For example, stuff like Pokémon-shaped cupcakes or keychains, or a shirt with a Pokémon on it.

Sure.
Every instance of a Pokemon should count.

And I've pulled sme time together and will do the Gen 5 Pokemon later. This will also be the last pool since Gen 5 has the highest amount of Pokémon while Gen 6 and 7 have been rather low, so I've worked on the seemingly smaller stuff a bit earlier.
Will now start with Victini.

@AngryZapdos: Should the wikis also include scenarios...

2018-03-16T23:41:45-04:00

Should the wikis also include scenarios featuring objects either modelled after Pokémon or that have a Pokémon's image on them? For example, stuff like Pokémon-shaped cupcakes or keychains, or a shirt with a Pokémon on it.

@Danielx21: > Provence said: > > And finished the 3rd gen....

2018-03-16T23:22:51-04:00

Provence said:

And finished the 3rd gen.
Left out Primal Groudon/Kyougre and Mega Rayquaza since they have its own character tags.

I hope I can go through Gen 4 to 7 soon, but there's other stuff to do as well :/.

Provence said:

Create a wiki page for those tags (meaning gen 1 to 7).
I hope that someone can still review the contents of the wiki pages and adds something that I may have forgotten:

Gen 1 Pokemon as a template. The only difference in the wikis is the number describing the gen (first, second, third etc.)

Nice. Thanks for the tagging work and the wikis.