[REJECTED] Tag implication: visor_cap -> hat

@DanbooruBot: The tag implication visor_cap -> hat (forum...

2019-03-29T17:07:14-04:00

The tag implication visor_cap -> hat (forum #155499) has been rejected by @NWF_Renim.

@skylightcrystal: Personally I'd say no to crown as well -...

2019-03-29T02:50:09-04:00

Personally I'd say no to crown as well - someone searching for "yellow headwear" having been redirected there from "yellow hat" is not going to be looking for a mass of golden crowns which they would have to trawl through to find anything else - and they're somewhat different to any of the things in the "yes" list above in both nature and purpose. Crowns have more in common with tiaras and circlets than they do with hats and head coverings.

I would say no to bandana as well on account of the fact that they are often worn in a similar manner to headbands.

Other than that the things I recognise with a "yes" in the list above all look okay to me.

@Shinjidude: > BrokenEagle98 said: > > The only ones I'm...

2019-03-18T16:36:46-04:00

BrokenEagle98 said:

The only ones I'm not sure on are the crown category, headband (which includes forehead protector), hairband, and headdress (which includes maid headdress).

Of these, I'd probably consider crown a kind of headwear, but I'd keep the rest separate. A hairband and a hat feel like completely different categories to me.

@BrokenEagle98: > iridescent_slime said: > > ... I'd support...

2019-03-18T14:09:30-04:00

iridescent_slime said:

... I'd support switching to less specific color tags like blue_headwear instead.

Unbreakable said:

I have actually been considering submitting a BUR for switching over all colour_hat tags to colour_headwear instead, only problem is it's gonna take a long time for it to go through all those tags. I agree visor caps aren't hats though.

I'd be very much in favor of generalized color headwear tags. Not only is there the issue with visor caps, but it also feels wrong to be giving headwear like helmet the COLOR_hat tags, and I don't want to create COLOR_helmet tags.

Not sure what all items should go into the colored headwear group, as I still remember the contention with some of the neckwear items.

The following are from the Tag Group:Attire wiki.

Tag	Headwear?
Ajirogasa	Yes
Animal hat	Yes
Bandana	Yes
Baseball cap	Yes
Beanie	Yes
Beret	Yes
Bicorne	Yes
Bonnet	Yes
Bowler hat	Yes
Bucket hat	Yes
Bun cover	No
Cabbie hat	Yes
Cat hat	Yes
Chef hat	Yes
Cloche hat	Yes
Cowboy hat	Yes
Crown	???
Dalachi	Yes
Deerstalker	Yes
Deviruchi hat	Yes
Fedora	Yes
Flat cap	Yes
Fur hat	Yes
Garrison cap	Yes
Habit	Yes
Hairband	???
Hair bow	No, just use COLOR_bow
Hair ribbon	No, just use COLOR_ribbon
Hat ribbon	No, just use COLOR_ribbon
Headband	???
Headdress	???
Helmet	Yes
Hijab	Yes
Jester cap	Yes
Keffiyeh	Yes
Mian guan	Yes
Mitre	Yes
Mob cap	Yes
Mortarboard	Yes
Nurse cap	Yes
Peaked cap	Yes
Pillow hat	Yes
Pirate hat	Yes
Porkpie hat	Yes
Rice hat	Yes
Santa hat	Yes
School hat	Yes
Shako cap	Yes
Shower cap	Yes
Straw hat	Yes
Sun hat	Yes
Tate eboshi	Yes
Tokin hat	Yes
Top hat	Yes
Tricorne	Yes
Witch hat	Yes
Wizard hat	Yes
Veil	No
Visor cap	Yes

The only ones I'm not sure on are the crown category, headband (which includes forehead protector), hairband, and headdress (which includes maid headdress).

BUR

A BUR should probably should go in its own topic though. The discussion should probably be moved there as well, since not everyone is going to check out this topic based upon its title.

@kittey: Previous discussion from 2.5 years ago: topic...

2019-03-18T09:46:37-04:00

Previous discussion from 2.5 years ago: topic #13191

@Unbreakable: > iridescent_slime said: > > Is it really a...

2019-03-18T02:10:09-04:00

iridescent_slime said:

Is it really a hat, though? Hats are, unless I've misunderstood the concept my entire life, intended to perform the function of covering one's head. Sun visors don't do this. They're more like a headband with a baseball cap's bill attached.

By the way, when this implication was last proposed a couple years ago, there was at least one suggestion that the wiki be changed to not use the word "hat". As for tags like blue_hat implicating hat, I'd support switching to less specific color tags like blue_headwear instead.

I have actually been considering submitting a BUR for switching over all colour_hat tags to colour_headwear instead, only problem is it's gonna take a long time for it to go through all those tags. I agree visor caps aren't hats though.

@iridescent_slime: Is it really a hat, though? Hats are, unless...

2019-03-18T01:56:20-04:00

Is it really a hat, though? Hats are, unless I've misunderstood the concept my entire life, intended to perform the function of covering one's head. Sun visors don't do this. They're more like a headband with a baseball cap's bill attached.

By the way, when this implication was last proposed a couple years ago, there was at least one suggestion that the wiki be changed to not use the word "hat". As for tags like blue_hat implicating hat, I'd support switching to less specific color tags like blue_headwear instead.

@user_429955: [ti:9165] Reason: The wiki states that a visor...

2019-03-18T00:23:20-04:00

The tag implication #9165 visor_cap -> hat has been rejected.

Reason: The wiki states that a visor cap is a type of hat. I thought of this implication after seeing a visor cap post tagged with blue hat (implicating hat), which added the hat tag when it wasn't there previously. It implied that a visor cap wasn't a type of hat.

EDIT: The tag implication visor_cap -> hat (forum #155499) has been rejected by @NWF_Renim.