[APPROVED] [Fate] Ishtar umbrella tag

@DanbooruBot: The bulk update request #2160 (forum #160790)...

2019-12-18T01:03:47-05:00

The bulk update request #2160 (forum #160790) has been approved by @Hillside_Moose.

@Benit149: > RisingDragon said: > > Ishtar under the Rin...

2019-11-12T12:41:07-05:00

RisingDragon said:

Ishtar under the Rin Tohsaka umbrella is going to get yet more complicated with the existence of the Fate/Strange Fake version of Ishtar, who doesn't use Rin's body. Not that I expect there to be much artwork of her, but you never know.

@RisingDragon Not necessarily. That Ishtar would just be ishtar_(fate/strange_fake) and wouldn't have any connection with Rinface Ishtar.

@RisingDragon: Ishtar under the Rin Tohsaka umbrella is going...

2019-11-11T19:44:27-05:00

Ishtar under the Rin Tohsaka umbrella is going to get yet more complicated with the existence of the Fate/Strange Fake version of Ishtar, who doesn't use Rin's body. Not that I expect there to be much artwork of her, but you never know.

@Cliff_Edge: > Unbreakable said: > > It was suggested to be...

2019-11-08T20:17:48-05:00

Unbreakable said:

It was suggested to be used instead of the Ishtar umbrella tag, not together with it.

Oh, okay.

@Unbreakable: > Cliff_Edge said: > > If Rin gets a...

2019-11-08T17:46:13-05:00

Cliff_Edge said:

If Rin gets a "***_(fate)_(all)" umbrella tag, and that umbrella tag includes the Ishtar umbrella tag and all subtags, would the Mordred tags be added to the Artoria umbrella tag?

It was suggested to be used instead of the Ishtar umbrella tag, not together with it.

@Cliff_Edge: If Rin gets a "***_(fate)_(all)" umbrella tag,...

2019-11-08T17:15:47-05:00

If Rin gets a "***_(fate)_(all)" umbrella tag, and that umbrella tag includes the Ishtar umbrella tag and all subtags, would the Mordred tags be added to the Artoria umbrella tag?

@Ghost_H: Since the subject already went over being about...

2019-11-07T23:56:19-05:00

Since the subject already went over being about just Ishtar, I'd say that a "Medusa_(fate)_(all)" would be nice.

@Mysterious_Uploader: > Benit149 said: > > I’m not opposed to a...

2019-11-07T19:17:22-05:00

Benit149 said:

I’m not opposed to a Toosaka Rin umbrella tag, but then that begs the question. For similar human-debuting characters who have become Pseudo-Servants in FGO, does this mean we have to tag the human counterpart and the Servant counterpart at all times? Say if I upload a bunch of Jaguarman images right now, would I have to use the jaguarman_(fate/grand_order) and fujimura_taiga character tags, or just the Jaguarman one?

fujimura_taiga_(all) + jaguarman_(fate/grand_order

If i may add, i think we should standardize Craft Essence tags.
Most of them are tagged as general tag (for example dangerous_beast), but some of them, like formalcraft, are tagged as character names.

In the latter case: should cosplay tags be added to these tags?

@Benit149: If we’re going to implement such a system for...

2019-11-07T15:41:44-05:00

If we’re going to implement such a system for Fate characters that debuted as humans but became Servants or reskins or alternate characters or whatnot, we’d have to consider making similar *_(fate)_(all) umbrella tags. On the top of my head, I can think of Emiya Shirou, Illyasviel von Einzbern and Matou Sakura suffering from the same character overuse as Rin.

I’m not opposed to a Toosaka Rin umbrella tag, but then that begs the question. For similar human-debuting characters who have become Pseudo-Servants in FGO, does this mean we have to tag the human counterpart and the Servant counterpart at all times? Say if I upload a bunch of Jaguarman images right now, would I have to use the jaguarman_(fate/grand_order) and fujimura_taiga character tags, or just the Jaguarman one?

@evazion: Yes. Going by the Type-Moon wiki, these are all...

2019-11-07T15:08:30-05:00

Yes. Going by the Type-Moon wiki, these are all the Rinfaces we have:

Toosaka Rin (Fate/Stay Night)
Ishtar (Fate/Grand Order)

Ereshkigal (Fate/Grand Order)
Kaleido Ruby (Fate/Kaleid Liner Prisma Illya)
Toosaka Rin (Lancer) (Fate/Extra)
To-saka (Capsule Servant)
Formalcraft (FGO craft essence)
Kitchen Patissiere (FGO craft essence)
Street Choco-Maid (FGO craft essence)

Toosaka Rin, Ishtar, Ereshkigal, and to a lesser extent Kaleido Ruby are the main ones. The others are very small or are craft essences (which I'm including here just for completeness).

Source: https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Rin_Tohsaka

@Unbreakable: > evazion said: > > I would argue the umbrella...

2019-11-07T14:33:44-05:00

evazion said:

I would argue the umbrella tag should be Toosaka Rin (Fate) (all) instead. The original reason for the first *_(all) tag, Artoria Pendragon (all), was to create an umbrella tag for Saberfaces without polluting the Saber tag itself. That's what *_(all) tags should be for. Not for every F/GO character that has multiple skins / classes / whatever. That's literally everyone, on a long enough timeline.

Does that mean it should include Toosaka Rin herself and Ereshkigal (Fate/Grand Order) too and probably some that I have forgotten?

@evazion: I would argue the umbrella tag should be...

2019-11-07T12:07:24-05:00

I would argue the umbrella tag should be Toosaka Rin (Fate) (all) instead. The original reason for the first *_(all) tag, Artoria Pendragon (all), was to create an umbrella tag for Saberfaces without polluting the Saber tag itself. That's what *_(all) tags should be for. Not for every F/GO character that has multiple skins / classes / whatever. That's literally everyone, on a long enough timeline.

@Benit149: Yes, that's all of them.

2019-11-07T09:42:02-05:00

Yes, that's all of them.

@Hillside_Moose: [bur:2160] Reason: This is all the tags,...

2019-11-07T01:43:01-05:00

The bulk update request #2160 is active.

create implication space_ishtar_(fate) -> ishtar_(fate)_(all)
create implication ishtar_(swimsuit_rider)_(fate) -> ishtar_(fate)_(all)
create implication ishtar_(fate/grand_order) -> ishtar_(fate)_(all)

Reason: This is all the tags, right? I'll keep this BUR up for a while in case of other tags or syntax errors.

EDIT: The bulk update request #2160 (forum #160790) has been approved by @Hillside_Moose.

@DanbooruBot: The bulk update request #2143 (forum #160600)...

2019-11-07T01:37:55-05:00

The bulk update request #2143 (forum #160600) has been approved by @Hillside_Moose.

@Benit149: [bur:2143] Reason: Well, now we have a third...

2019-10-27T12:53:19-04:00

The bulk update request #2143 is active.

remove implication ishtar_(swimsuit_rider)_(fate) -> ishtar_(fate/grand_order)

Reason: Well, now we have a third form of Ishtar running around with Space Ishtar for the Halloween 2019 event. That means she's eligible for a *_(fate)_(all) tag, but the existing implication needs to be removed before the ishtar_(fate)_(all) tag can be made.

EDIT: The bulk update request #2143 (forum #160600) has been approved by @Hillside_Moose.