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create implication waistcoat -> vest

Reason: A waistcoat is a specific kind of vest.

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I don't get it. They seem to be the exact same thing. I get that one is formal and the other informal, but that's not something that can be easily visually distinguished. Also, it seems that the only thing separating the two visually is the presence of buttons.

http://www.differencebetween.net/language/words-language/differences-between-vest-and-waistcoat/

However, do we really want to maintain two tags for what is essentially the same thing visually, or do we want to merge the waistcoat tag into the vest tag?

While a waistcoat is a type of vest, and the word "vest" encompasses much else, the vest tag on danbooru is, as far as I know, exclusively used for waistcoats. Vests like https://www.amazon.co.uk/Classic-Thicker-Heavier-Cotton-Singlet/dp/B00T7YROCC would generally not be considered vests as far as danbooru is concerned (although looking through the tag I see that there are a few of these images in there, as usual when a broad term is used as a tag for something specific). You also get sweater vests mistagged into there, which are (as the name suggests) also a type of vest, but which doesn't have an implication on danbooru because vest isn't used for that sort of vest.

Confusing, but there we go.

There was talk of keeping sweater_vest separate from vest as far back as topic #1778, but there was never any rigid rule put in place against using both tags for the same garment, so it's no surprise that sweater_vest vest returns hundreds of results.

Also, there are quite a few results for bulletproof_vest vest, life_vest vest, and load_bearing_vest vest even though none of these are generally regarded as an article of clothing.

Then there are the flimsy little things that Nadia and Shantae wear (post #2226663, post #3466964).

Not to mention the sleeveless denim jacket Android 18 wears (post #2035276) which we often tag as vest for some reason.

Hoodie_vest actually implicates vest, despite the fact that many of the posts with this tag are clearly sleeveless hoodies. I'm not sure what purpose this tag serves, considering that we also have hooded_vest.

YMMV, but I wouldn't think to tag any of the above as a waistcoat. The vest tag is really quite vague, isn't it?

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Leaving this rejected because of lack of consensus. Hoodie vest is currently the only vest type that implies vest, and I would agree that's probably a bad implication.

Getting off topic, but since you mentioned it, shouldn't hoodie_vest and sleeveless_hoodie get merged / aliased one way or the other? The former has the implication as you say, but the latter is 7x larger. As far as I can tell, they describe the same garment.

Shinjidude said:

Getting off topic, but since you mentioned it, shouldn't hoodie_vest and sleeveless_hoodie get merged / aliased one way or the other? The former has the implication as you say, but the latter is 7x larger. As far as I can tell, they describe the same garment.

What about hooded vest? I think that's a better tag to gather them under.

Just for the record, there's also the tag search hooded_jacket sleeveless_jacket which doesn't look much different from those other two tags.

Unbreakable said:

What about hooded vest? I think that's a better tag to gather them under.

You don't mean we should move sleeveless_hoodie to hooded_vest, do you? Sleeveless sweatshirts aren't vests.

nonamethanks said:

Just for the record, there's also the tag search hooded_jacket sleeveless_jacket which doesn't look much different from those other two tags.

It's worth mentioning here that a hooded jacket and a hoodie (i.e. a hooded sweatshirt) aren't the same thing, even if these tags get used interchangeably in practice. A hooded_jacket sleeveless_jacket search should be distinct from a sleeveless_hoodie search.

iridescent_slime said:

You don't mean we should move sleeveless_hoodie to hooded_vest, do you? Sleeveless sweatshirts aren't vests.

My misstake, I was under the assumption that the hoodie vest and sleeveless hoodie tags had both hoodies without sleeves and vests with hoods in them (since this topic started as being about vests) and if this is the case they should be sorted out, the vests with hoods should fall under hooded vest and the hoodies without sleeves should go under sleeveless hoodie.