Purpose of artist_request tag

@Toks: > Borrator said: > > I once used artist...

2014-08-07T15:48:11-04:00

Borrator said:

I once used artist request on an ugoira I had downloaded and converted before it getting deleted because I was too lazy to search for a service that could get the artist by using the post number. What I'm saying is, the source field wasn't empty, but since it linked to a "deleted work" page I didn't really know who the artist was.
Btw someone actually found it for me the same day. Rather, someone found it faster than me getting around to seeing if saucenao can save me

Saucenao works with ugoira, you just need to keep in mind that it doesn't support uploading webms directly so you instead need to upload Danbooru's thumbnail of the webm for it to work.

@Borrator: I once used artist request on an ugoira I had...

2014-08-07T15:08:53-04:00

I once used artist request on an ugoira I had downloaded and converted before it getting deleted because I was too lazy to search for a service that could get the artist by using the post number. What I'm saying is, the source field wasn't empty, but since it linked to a "deleted work" page I didn't really know who the artist was.
Btw someone actually found it for me the same day. Rather, someone found it faster than me getting around to seeing if saucenao can save me

@Toks: > CodeKyuubi said: > > But if you don't use...

2014-08-07T14:07:05-04:00

CodeKyuubi said:

But if you don't use the tag for those kinds of situations as well, I don't see the point. The only way to get at those images would be to search arttags:0, which also include artist request, so the end result is the same, that they'd get stuck together with all the regular artist request images. You could always block the tag from the search, but you could do the same through the artist request tag by using source:none.

In other words, artist_request is a useless tag already covered by metatags and should not be used.

The only situation in which arttags:0 wouldn't work is collaborations where some but not all artists are known, but we have collaboration_request for those cases.

If someone doesn't know how to romanize an artist's name they can post in topic #8199, which is more likely to get a response than using the artist_request tag is.

@CodeKyuubi: > Borrator said: > > It seems to me that the...

2014-08-07T13:31:03-04:00

Borrator said:

It seems to me that the tag is meant for when you actually don't know who the artist is, and things like knowing who he is but not being sure how to romanise it aren't really meant for that tag

But if you don't use the tag for those kinds of situations as well, I don't see the point. The only way to get at those images would be to search arttags:0, which also include artist request, so the end result is the same, that they'd get stuck together with all the regular artist request images. You could always block the tag from the search, but you could do the same through the artist request tag by using source:none.

@Borrator: It seems to me that the tag is meant for when...

2014-08-07T04:59:33-04:00

It seems to me that the tag is meant for when you actually don't know who the artist is, and things like knowing who he is but not being sure how to romanise it aren't really meant for that tag

@CodeKyuubi: I've been told to not use the tag, though in my...

2014-08-06T00:45:09-04:00

I've been told to not use the tag, though in my situation, the source was twitter and the artist didn't have a tag yet on Danbooru. As such, I left the artist field blank because I didn't trust myself to name the artist properly.

I personally think it should be in use regardless of source, with the exception being when the artist can be found using the Find Artist button.

@RaisingK: The artist request wiki has had "Do not use...

2014-08-05T22:30:01-04:00

The artist request wiki has had "Do not use this tag if there is a source available, such as the artist's homepage, blog, pixiv, etc" for 2+ years. Is this a hard/consensus rule?

@葉月: Ah, yes, you're right. My reading was not...

2010-04-25T13:28:14-04:00

Ah, yes, you're right. My reading was not really the best one here.

@piespy: You missed the point. It still strongly implies...

2010-04-25T13:05:29-04:00

You missed the point. It still strongly implies that, to quote jxh2154, "asking the uploader for a source is pointless", because if he knew the source he'd have uploaded it from there and not from the imageboard.

jxh2154 didn't say that the imageboard was to be construed as actual source or something.

@葉月: > jxh2154 said: > Yes, this. Just leave it. It...

2010-04-25T12:10:10-04:00

jxh2154 said:
Yes, this. Just leave it. It lets us know that the image came from an imageboard and that asking the uploader for a source is pointless.

Well, not necessarily. It just means it was uploaded from there, but the vast majority of images posted on imageboards did not originate there. Discounting well-known exceptions such as drawfag and oekaki, they're uploads from somewhere else themselves.

@jxh2154: > Algasir said: Any source is better than no...

2010-04-25T10:24:56-04:00

Algasir said: Any source is better than no source at all.
EDIT: Also, the Image Board source is automatically added for images that are uploaded from certain image boards (like 4chan, though I don't know any others beyond that).

Yes, this. Just leave it. It lets us know that the image came from an imageboard and that asking the uploader for a source is pointless.

@Katajanmarja: > Algasir said: > > Any source is better than...

2010-04-25T03:42:26-04:00

Algasir said:

Any source is better than no source at all.

True.

Or perhaps more accurately, from a researcher's point of view, any correct source information, however vague, is better than no source information at all.

And obsolete links can be surprisingly useful in some cases. There are Internet archives saving copies of pages at various points of time, after all.

@Algasir: Any source is better than no source at all. ...

2010-04-24T23:04:49-04:00

Any source is better than no source at all.

EDIT: Also, the Image Board source is automatically added for images that are uploaded from certain image boards (like 4chan, though I don't know any others beyond that).

@CaptainCappy: While going through some old images searching...

2010-04-24T22:55:14-04:00

While going through some old images searching for artists sometimes I came across an image that has a source "image board" or a link to the (now deleted obviously) image on the image board. Should I just remove it? It isn't too useful to have something like that.

@Katajanmarja: > CaptainCappy said: > > [T]he only times I...

2010-04-24T12:57:58-04:00

CaptainCappy said:

[T]he only times I can imagine someone actually finding the artist or source for an image without any source is when they try to upload the same image and use find similar (...).

It was not terribly long ago that I barely knew Danbooru existed and had no idea about IQDB-type image search engines. I mean, I did not even know that today's computing was advanced enough to program anything like IQDB.

Today I live in hopes that more search sites like TinEye will be created and developed further. Eventually, that should give us chances to identify a very high percentage of those images that lack appropriate tags on such boards as Moe.imouto.

@Action_Kamen: The SauceNOA firefox add-on finds pixiv artists...

2010-04-24T11:09:36-04:00

The SauceNOA firefox add-on finds pixiv artists for pictures.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/93451

Its useless 30% of the time but the other 70% it gives you the link to the pixiv artist along with the ID number and picture page.

It can be really helpful for finding pixiv artists for pics not on the site.

@jxh2154: > CaptainCappy said: Plus the only times I can...

2010-04-24T10:47:43-04:00

CaptainCappy said: Plus the only times I can imagine someone actually finding the artist or source for an image without any source is when they try to upload the same image and use find similar (which has happened to me a few times).

It's not uncommon for, say, work by commercial artists. Artbook scans or game CG and the like aren't going to come from an official website with a URL most of the time, but it's not far-fetched to believe that someone else might recognize the artist. Especially if it's like itou_noiji or goto_p or someone else very famous and distinctive.

Well not that I have much of an opinion on the_request tags. Just saying.

@Shinjidude: I don't know that that's true. Artists often...

2010-04-24T10:44:24-04:00

I don't know that that's true. Artists often have a distinctive style, and a fan of that artist can identify the style whereas the uploader may not have been familiar with them.

@CaptainCappy: Users should strive to find artists and sources...

2010-04-24T10:36:25-04:00

Users should strive to find artists and sources for all images that don't have any, not just those where it is spelled out by a tag.

Plus the only times I can imagine someone actually finding the artist or source for an image without any source is when they try to upload the same image and use find similar (which has happened to me a few times). The tags aren't really useful anymore in my opinion, as Moose has suggested.

@Shinjidude: I think artist_request and source_request are...

2010-04-24T10:27:45-04:00

I think artist_request and source_request are still useful for images found off image boards and blogs you know aren't run by the artist. It indicates an explicit acknowledgment by the uploader that the artist/source was not available at the time of upload (not simply un-intelligible or omitted as it might be with Pixiv). It also serves as a reminder for anyone who later sees the image that might know the original source to tag it as such.