Why? because the shokatsuryou charcater from Koihime, her full name is shokatsuryou_koumei. There is already a character from Ikktousei with the same name, but it seems silly not to give a character their full name just because another shares in. AS such I think this new change should be made.

We use the "first" Name for the koihime_musou characters, we use the full name for the ikkitousen characters, and the Chinese name for the shin_sangoku_musou characters.

So no, we aren't going to make this change.

Fencedude said:
We use the "first" Name for the koihime_musou characters, we use the full name for the ikkitousen characters, and the Chinese name for the shin_sangoku_musou characters.

So no, we aren't going to make this change.

That doesn't seem very thought out if you ask me. I can think of a number of problems that this decision of yours create.

1. What if a fourth and a fifth show pops up with characters that sport the same name?

2. when you do a search for the character, you know teh show but say you only know the family name? Then you will be confused by this "lazy tagging"

3. there already is a "forth" show if not as well known. It is an SD gundam show. What do you call these Gundam Reincarnations?

ect ect...

in the end I see no reason for you not to change this.

(speaking of which, why are you using the English name for Yoko Ritona?)

That doesn't seem very thought out if you ask me.

Well, we didn't ask you, but the response is basically, yeah, but its better than the alternatives. If another prominent Rot3K based series pops up, we'll deal with it, but as it stands, this system keeps the three major ones separate without having to append qualifiers to everyone.

Yavie said:
(speaking of which, why are you using the English name for Yoko Ritona?)

Because "Ritona" is a literal reading of the Katakana, that doesn't make it her "Japanese" name.

What Fence said. We will deal with another Rot3K iteration if we need to, most likely with series qualifiers, especially if it's something incredibly unlikely to have more than a handful of images here (like the Gundam one). But at present, the system we have is entirely intentional.

If we ever need them to be more ambiguous (which I'm not really thinking we will), the best way to go about would be to use their "mana", which is unique to Koihime Musou, and is done in the case of chouryou_(shia) and chouryou_(renhou) already.

Fencedude said:
Well, we didn't ask you, but the response is basically, yeah, but its better than the alternatives. If another prominent Rot3K based series pops up, we'll deal with it, but as it stands, this system keeps the three major ones separate without having to append qualifiers to everyone.

Well to be fair, I didn't ask you either. You just decided to respond to the thread. Either way, you still haven't explaned the logic behind your reasoning to me. Why not use "qualifiers" on the names? If it is their full names why not use them? Or will you be using these method on other characters in the future? Use their family names for one, and the given name for the other? Which raises another possible problem:

What will you do when said characters given name, or family name is the same as these characters, but you are never told their other names? Will you give THESE characters "qualifiers" instead then?

See, the think I am hinting at here is that your method is doomed to fall and create problems in the future. Which emans you will have to give them "qualifiers" sooner or later anyway. So why not do it right away?

Fencedude said:
Because "Ritona" is a literal reading of the Katakana, that doesn't make it her "Japanese" name.

And neither is Littner. As for "Ritona" I remember having seen her name written on several official dolls of her in Romaji. So yeah... I think it is a prety safe bet to say that Ritona is her "Japanase" name.

jxh2154 said:
What Fence said. We will deal with another Rot3K iteration if we need to, most likely with series qualifiers, especially if it's something incredibly unlikely to have more than a handful of images here (like the Gundam one). But at present, the system we have is entirely intentional.

Why? Why not foolproof it from the start?

EB said:
If we ever need them to be more ambiguous (which I'm not really thinking we will), the best way to go about would be to use their "mana", which is unique to Koihime Musou, and is done in the case of chouryou_(shia) and chouryou_(renhou) already.

No, that would just confuse the issue. We would still have all the other characters from other shows sharing the same name... And why use their "mana" when we can just use their "show"? Why make an easy sollution more difficult than it has to be?

Yavie said:
Well to be fair, I didn't ask you either. You just decided to respond to the thread.

Considering that I'm pretty much the one who pushed the current system, I figured I was the best person to respond.

As for why, well, it required the fewest changes, was already mostly in place, and with only a few hiccups, works.

As for people not figuring it out, well, tough cookies. Thats what Wiki entries are for.

Edit: Oh yeah, I remember you now! I think last time we talked I told you to fuck off. You can consider that advice still in effect, by the way.

Yavie said: Why make an easy sollution more difficult than it has to be?

The only difficulty involved here is your arguing about it.

Fencedude said:
Considering that I'm pretty much the one who pushed the current system, I figured I was the best person to respond.

Well if you pushed the current system then you should be able to answer the questions I have put forward. Where is the logic in this system? It seems doomed to fail in the future since it isn't as precise as the alternative. Furthermore you haven't provided me with a reason as to "why" this system is being used when it is so obviously flawed.

Fencedude said:
As for why, well, it required the fewest changes, was already mostly in place, and with only a few hiccups, works.

It works for "the moment" but isn't a precise system and seems to be a oneofakind. But yeah, I understand your reason now. You didn't feel like doing the tiny bit of extra work the alternative would have required.

Fencedude said:
As for people not figuring it out, well, tough cookies. Thats what Wiki entries are for.

Though cookies? if you care that little about people that can't figure it out, why have a search system or tag system at all? Isn't the tag system there to make it easier to find images?

Fencedude said:
Edit: Oh yeah, I remember you now! I think last time we talked I told you to fuck off. You can consider that advice still in effect, by the way.

You really shouldn't be a janitor you know.

jxh2154 said:
The only difficulty involved here is your arguing about it.

Yes, it is hard having an argument with a person that isn't willing to consider change. So I'll drop the subject. As soon as Fence started cussing I knew this usefullness of this had been wasted.

Drop it right now or I will do a lot more than leave you a bad record this will be your only warning. I don't care if you're patently dumb or a troll I'm really sick of seeing you post.

As little as I care for the Yoko stuff, I think Yavie's concerns about not using full names here are valid.

Right. Arbitrarily using first-name-only for one series and full name for another doesn't make much sense and doesn't fit with what I thought was the common practice here (well, except for issues like those Angel Beats "spoilers"). So I'm rather confused about how heated certain people are getting against the quite sensible suggestion.

I don't care about koihime directly but this system works and has for well over a year. Sure, it's not the most new-user friendly system but it's worked. If you really want change we may as well change them all to the chinese names with qualifiers.

Right. Full names with series qualifiers. And change the ones with "mana" qualifiers to match.

No, no Chinese names. We've been over this. The Chinese names are not used in Koihime, ever. If you want to talk about user-unfriendly, it doesn't get any worse than using the Chinese names here. Not everyone watching Koihime knows all the Chinese names they map to, and certainly not for every minor character the show throws at us. You tag them as they're actually called in the show that actually exists.

The use of Japanese names in reference to Rot3K names is an old and established concept. Remember, we're concerned not with tag name accuracy vis-a-vis the Chinese language source material of the anime/manga/game, but against the Japanese language anime/manga/game itself, which is our source material. Note that this is different from, say, accepting faulty Japanese romanization of Western names. George Washington being called George Wasinktun is arguably something we could change, depending on the circumstances. (It always depends on the circumstances.) But Sousou for Cao Cao (the only example I know off the top of my head), when tagging a Japanese anime with a character whose name is always pronounced Sousou, is not wrong in any sense.

The Chinese names are most appropriate in the wiki articles or each character. Linking to a non-spoilery external source with a rundown/mapping would be good too.

I don't honestly have any objection in theory to name-spoken-in-show + qualifiers (I am much fonder of qualifiers than most around here) but moving every single Koihime and Ikkitousen character tag - and not being able to put any aliases from the current tags in place to keep track thanks to ambiguity - would be far messier and annoying than the system we've been using. This isn't a single artist that was poorly named and needs to be disambiguated. That's bad enough. This is dozens of tags.