Vocaloid song tags with little to no images

@juunigatsu_no_usagi: alright, makes sense. I'll copy Log's quote to...

2010-10-06T20:14:46-04:00

alright, makes sense.
I'll copy Log's quote to the Vocaloid list, and expand on the meaning. Also restore the tags I removed.

Thanks for the help.

@jxh2154: > Log said: > Tag every song that an image is...

2010-10-06T16:28:52-04:00

Log said:
Tag every song that an image is uploaded here for but don't create wikis for songs with no images.

This.

@Log: Tag every song that an image is uploaded here...

2010-10-04T10:18:00-04:00

Tag every song that an image is uploaded here for but don't create wikis for songs with no images.

@juunigatsu_no_usagi: To bump up and make sure. Keep the current "1...

2010-10-04T10:13:15-04:00

To bump up and make sure.
Keep the current "1 count" tags regardless of there being no activity with them? And no tagging of new uploads unless something is actually happening on any drawing site?

@jxh2154: Let's keep the low usage ones. If this were...

2010-09-21T15:04:43-04:00

Let's keep the low usage ones. If this were some one-off phenomenon that hadn't justified itself yet I might be more picky about it but we have *so many* Vocaloid song tags that adding one is just standard practice now. Even for one image.

That said, people should refrain from making new tags before there's actually art uploaded to tag it with. That goes for everything, not just Vocaloid songs.

@Shinjidude: I wouldn't remove them since they often have a...

2010-09-19T18:15:06-04:00

I wouldn't remove them since they often have a visually identifiable theme, and we should try to not destroy information when it makes sense to, even if they are sparse tags.

@juunigatsu_no_usagi: > Soljashy said: > You would tag an officially...

2010-09-19T15:59:26-04:00

Soljashy said:
You would tag an officially named character even if there was only one post of them here. Shouldn't the same apply to these songs?

That would be a character attached to a show/game etc. I don't view it as being exactly the same, I don't mind if I am viewed as being hypocritical about that. A copyrighted song created from the use of software.

From my time on here the song tagging seemed to stem from an attempt to gather similar images under one tag to make it easier to find, not necessarily add the tag because it was for copyright/general reasons. They also started out as not being copyrighted. When Meltdown and Supercell started to pick up in popularity, that is when song tagging really started to take off.

I am pretty much stubborn on this, but if people like doing this and others don't mind, then I won't remove anymore Vocaloid song tags. A lot of the Vocaloid images upload have many songs connected to them but I just don't see the purpose in tagging them all when I can just comment what the image was used for. Unless people use *_(vocaloid)* for convenience?

As already mentioned: a decent amount of fanart even two images, appear better than zero to none. There are also just images passed around as free use for motif (wallpaper / album cover) with no intention of being a net released song.

@KeliraTelian: Yeah, it should.

2010-09-19T12:41:36-04:00

Yeah, it should.

@Soljashy: You would tag an officially named character...

2010-09-19T08:50:10-04:00

You would tag an officially named character even if there was only one post of them here. Shouldn't the same apply to these songs?

@alegria: I think this is useful information, even if...

2010-09-17T13:25:46-04:00

I think this is useful information, even if there is ONLY one image with the tag. Maybe not so useful for "I'm looking for images of ___ song" but it is very useful in the "Oh, that's what song this is from" sense.

unicogirl said:
I think just leaving the name and link to the song in Comments is just as useful, I don't see much purpose in giving it a wiki or tag if there isn't any real fanart populating it.

Why does this information need to be relegated to comments? Having some songs as tags and some banished to comments just screams inconsistency to me.

@Arantheus: > unicogirl said: > I think just leaving the...

2010-09-17T08:07:49-04:00

unicogirl said:
I think just leaving the name and link to the song in Comments is just as useful, I don't see much purpose in giving it a wiki or tag if there isn't any real fanart populating it.

That's my guideline most of the time. I usually wait until there's several fanarts by other artists than the original illustrator before tagging a song. Exceptions are for when a song is already popular when I find illustrations, or when the artist posts a shitload of images . Note that the song does not necessarily need to be popular, just to have a decent amount of fanarts

@Cyberia-Mix: Buf if everyone thinks the same you potentially...

2010-09-17T06:26:24-04:00

Buf if everyone thinks the same you potentially end up missing tags that would have been used on multiple posts. And even if unlikely, more fanarts can still come later.

@juunigatsu_no_usagi: I think just leaving the name and link to the...

2010-09-17T06:16:05-04:00

I think just leaving the name and link to the song in Comments is just as useful, I don't see much purpose in giving it a wiki or tag if there isn't any real fanart populating it.

@Log: I would really say just keep them, even if they...

2010-09-16T14:37:36-04:00

I would really say just keep them, even if they only have a single or couple images data about where the characters come from is data about where the characters come from. Sure, having even more tags with only a couple images is undesirable but we can't really do anything about nobody drawing a character.

@rantuyetmai: Personally I like the song tag, even if there's...

2010-09-16T14:36:39-04:00

Personally I like the song tag, even if there's only 1 or 2 images with it. There's a lot of songs I didn't know of until seeing the image and go find it. There's also when I encountered the song first and tried to find the artist who did the animation. In short, it's useful.

I'm fine with either keep or not keeping them, depends on if other people seeing them as "tag flooding".

@juunigatsu_no_usagi: Search Note, some of those are still being...

2010-09-16T14:25:43-04:00

Note, some of those are still being aliased to Japanese, so it is delayed, other that most are just tagged to be tagged. I removed the tag on most because there just isn't any activity with them. It seems the "single image" tag works best with a animated series or game, but when it comes to Vocaloid songs people just build them up and don't do anything else with them.

If there is some kind of "Okay" that allows them to be kept and this type of tagging to continue regardless of no other images- then I apologize and I will replace them and not remove anymore in the future.