Miku_append

@jxh2154: > rantuyetmai said: If there's no other...

2010-12-18T11:15:49-05:00

rantuyetmai said: If there's no other opinions I'll ask for aliasing these:

miku_append -> hatsune_miku_(append)

rin_append -> kagamine_rin_(append)

len_append -> kagamine_len_(append)

Implicating:

hatsune_miku_(append) -> vocaloid_append

kagamine_rin_(append) -> vocaloid_append

kagamine_len_(append) -> vocaloid_append

Done.

@Arantheus: I think the old tags were easier to use....

2010-12-13T07:48:07-05:00

I think the old tags were easier to use. Whatever. An alias for Miku append -> Hatsune Miku (append) wouldn't be unnessecary though

@rantuyetmai: Because the mentioned ones are canon alternate...

2010-12-12T13:16:23-05:00

Because the mentioned ones are canon alternate variation of the character so I think they deserve their own tags.

@NWF_Renim: The fact these characters can and will have...

2010-12-12T13:15:24-05:00

The fact these characters can and will have their own different appearing append costume should warrant having an individual tag for that specific costume and not just an umbrella tag.

@RaisingK: We already have copy tags like...

2010-12-12T13:11:05-05:00

We already have copy tags like cendrillon_(vocaloid) for posts referencing specific songs, so why not just use copy:vocaloid_append and do away with all these other append tags?

@rantuyetmai: I like the idea of "character_(variation)"...

2010-12-12T12:56:48-05:00

I like the idea of "character_(variation)" format of jxh. For one, the type of variation will be directly under that character's tag, easier to look up.

If there's no other opinions I'll ask for aliasing these:

Implicating:

Could someone with more knowledge about Vocaloid write something for the kagamines append, so that people know they're canon?

@juunigatsu_no_usagi: I did attempt this at one point, but Miku was...

2010-12-11T21:26:52-05:00

I did attempt this at one point, but Miku was the only one at the time. see post #648834

@sgcdonmai: Ah, I see.

2010-12-11T19:39:27-05:00

Ah, I see.

@jxh2154: > sgcdonmai said: As for the append version...

2010-12-11T18:50:53-05:00

sgcdonmai said: As for the append version tag, I suppose it might be good as an umbrella tag or something, but it doesn't seem the trend to implicate costuming themes to their source series (in this case, Vocaloid).

By "something linking it to Vocaloid" I meant the connection being obvious in the tag, not a tag implication.

@sgcdonmai: As other character variants (e.g. ex-keine)...

2010-12-11T18:45:35-05:00

As other character variants (e.g. ex-keine) remain general tags and are implicated to the source character tags, I suggest the [character]_append tags being treated likewise.

As for the append version tag, I suppose it might be good as an umbrella tag or something, but it doesn't seem the trend to implicate costuming themes to their source series (in this case, Vocaloid).
Example: don't say lazy does not currently imply k-on!.

@jxh2154: Well for one, I'd prefer the tags be...

2010-12-11T09:29:56-05:00

Well for one, I'd prefer the tags be hatsune_miku_(append), kagamine_rin_(append) etc.

append_version (prefer vocaloid_append or something linking it to Vocaloid) isn't a bad idea. I'm not feeling your argument on it being fundamentally different from other non-character-specific visual characteristic tags, NWF. Rantuyetmai's proposal seems like totally standard danbooru tag usage to me. The only difference is that it's copyright specific, and even that has precedent (see unison). I'd use it to contain both official and fan-made append outfits.

There are of course multiple "standard" danbooru solutions for this situation, as Fence noted. I don't know if we could roll them *all* into one solution (the magical girl identity thing strikes me as having slightly different needs) but we could standardize a bit better.

@rantuyetmai: > NWF_Renim said: > There is a difference...

2010-12-11T08:34:39-05:00

NWF_Renim said:
There is a difference between a fundamental characteristic, eye color, hair color, and a tag like append_version.

I failed to see the difference in your argument and my argument. If you want another example, how's about maid which also indicate the clothes? The majority of general tags do not indicate which character it is describing, and it never means we shouldn't use those tag.

NWF_Renim said:
Are you under the impression that append only refers to miku append's outfit?

I was under the impression only Miku is official (my bad), but the proposal for append_version won't change, especially since you pointed out rin_append and len_append appeared. I want an umbrella tag for that style of alternate version.

@KeliraTelian: This really needs to go back to how we need to...

2010-12-11T07:55:05-05:00

This really needs to go back to how we need to come up with a single, consistent way of handling alternate versions of the same character.

From the various Saber variants, to the Append Vocaloids, to Magical girls, we need to choose ONE method, and stick with it.

@NWF_Renim: There is a difference between a fundamental...

2010-12-11T07:47:40-05:00

There is a difference between a fundamental characteristic, eye color, hair color, and a tag like append_version.

Anyways, are you under the impression that append only refers to miku append's outfit? There apparently does exist now Rin_Append and Len_Append outfits (post #804553, please note it is official art). If the general trend is that the other versions will be receiving a similar update, it won't be long before we have tons of images that are not just Miku's outfit. So an append_version would have to incorporate those too, and not just Miku.

@rantuyetmai: Very passionate argument, but with the reason...

2010-12-11T07:23:59-05:00

Very passionate argument, but with the reason you presented, I could say tagging any image with short_hair, hair_ornament, open_mouth, red_eyes etc... as WORTHLESS because it tell you absolutely nothing about which character in the image has short hair, who is wearing the ornament, who has her mouth open, whose eyes are red and so on. The search result for a specific character that are not Miku but wearing that outfit is so narrow anyway so I would not be so concerned about noises.

The main reason why I think a general tag to indicate the outfit is better is because sometime it's not cosplay anymore (e.g. post #802511, post #708328). The artists designed those outfits based on the idea of "appended" and based on the character's original clothes, without the intention of dressing them up as Miku.

Cosplay wiki said:
This tag is also used to refer to fictional characters who are dressed as other characters.

@NWF_Renim: I think a general "append_version" tag would be...

2010-12-11T07:08:34-05:00

I think a general "append_version" tag would be fairly worthless. I'm not familiar on which they're updating, but if they're all or mostly all going to be receiving some append update, then the tag would be fairly worthless. On paper it might seem like a great idea, as you can just put that on there, but in practice it'd be fairly worthless. What if only one character is appended and the other characters are not? What value does the append_version tag offer then? Nothing, because all it says is that there is a character who is the append version, but it does absolutely nothing to tell you outside of that, is it Hatsune Miku who is appended? Is it Kagame Rin? All it says is that one character is appended, and fails to distinguish who, so if you perform a "character append_version" search, you'll end up with every image in which an append character appears and the other character appears, which may well be filled with images in which the character you're looking for is not append version.

tl;dr: An "append version" tag will be worthless if every character gets an append version, as the tag fails to distinguish which character appears appended. In images in which one character is appended and has other characters present, you'll end up with noisy results because the character you're looking for may not be the append version.

@rantuyetmai: I was intended to turn miku_append into a...

2010-12-11T06:55:32-05:00

I was intended to turn miku_append into a general tag and ask for implication to hatsune_miku, but there is an divergence in tag use that need to be discussed:

Other characters than Miku wear the outfit and get both miku_append and miku_append_(cosplay) tag: miku_append -hatsune_miku search.

Other characters than Miku wear the outfit and get their own tag: *_append -hatsune_miku search.

We need a consensus approach, either treat all non-Miku as cosplayer, or make a general append_version.