Yuri / Cum - Mutually exclusive tags

@jxh2154: Much as I consider myself a yuri purist, for...

2011-02-19T11:59:37-05:00

Much as I consider myself a yuri purist, for the purposes of tagging that image needs to go under yuri. We can't ignore what Remilia and Sakuya are doing, even if the foreground "ruins" the picture for me and some others. At least that's my feeling right now. I don't remember what I concluded on this matter previously but don't plan on rereading it and second-guessing myself.

So yes, there will be rare multi-couple cases where futa might appear in a yuri image. If this were a very common thing then perhaps we'd need to come up with a more nuanced solution, but the multi-couple condition in post #851759 isn't terribly common.

The solution here is to blacklist yuri futanari on one line, I suppose.

@Hillside_Moose: > Lepperchaun said: > When I see an image with...

2011-02-13T16:34:33-05:00

Lepperchaun said:
When I see an image with a turtle and a dog in it I tag it turtle and dog, even if the turtle is just a tatoo on the dog's ass.

I find this funny, because that's the reason the frog tag is a gigantic clusterfuck.

Anyway, I agree with S1eth's sentiment.

@glasnost: > 葉月 said: > It seems pretty damn sexual to...

2011-02-13T13:50:51-05:00

葉月 said:
It seems pretty damn sexual to me.

Ditto. Remember, when in doubt, use the Pulp Fiction test.

@user_9851: When I see an image with a turtle and a dog in...

2011-02-13T12:38:30-05:00

When I see an image with a turtle and a dog in it I tag it turtle and dog, even if the turtle is just a tatoo on the dog's ass.

Yuri and futa in one post just don't seem to be... contradictory in any way to me.

@葉月: > S1eth said: > post #851759: I didn't consider...

2011-02-13T12:31:23-05:00

S1eth said:
post #851759: I didn't consider the toe sucking to be yuri, not with Remilia's and Sakuya's expressions, so I didn't tag it.

It seems pretty damn sexual to me.

@rantuyetmai: > S1eth said: > .... > There is no logical...

2011-02-13T11:34:02-05:00

S1eth said:
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There is no logical reason for the image NOT to be tagged with both yaoi and yuri tag. "If I search for yuri, I don't want to see dicks/cum" is not a valid argument. Negate your searches -penis/-cum. If you don't tag yuri because there is a penis, and you don't tag yaoi because there is a pussy, you won't be able to find this image at all.

Bisexual can only be tagged if there is (homosexual + heterosexual) interactions between 3+ people, so it makes sense for bisexual to replace yaoi/yuri for those 3+ people, but not for any other people also in the image.

This is my opinion as well.

post #851759: toe sucking?-check, 2 females?-check, sexual situation?-check, so the yuri tag is warranted.

@S1eth: Assume that there is an image with 2 beds, 2...

2011-02-13T09:13:11-05:00

Assume that there is an image with 2 beds, 2 persons on each of them. All of them are having sex and don't interact with the people on the other bed. The 2 on left bed are both men, the 2 on the right bed are both women. There is no logical reason for the image NOT to be tagged with both yaoi and yuri tag. "If I search for yuri, I don't want to see dicks/cum" is not a valid argument. Negate your searches -penis/-cum. If you don't tag yuri because there is a penis, and you don't tag yaoi because there is a pussy, you won't be able to find this image at all.

Bisexual can only be tagged if there is (homosexual + heterosexual) interactions between 3+ people, so it makes sense for bisexual to replace yaoi/yuri for those 3+ people, but not for any other people also in the image.

post #851759: I didn't consider the toe sucking to be yuri, not with Remilia's and Sakuya's expressions, so I didn't tag it.

@NWF_Renim: I could be wrong, but didn't the argument with...

2011-02-13T07:58:49-05:00

I could be wrong, but didn't the argument with bisexual and yuri result in that if the image could be tagged bixsexual, even if there was yuri going on in the scene (with no male involvement) that it would not be tagged yuri? If that is the case, then even if there is yuri going on separate from futa_on_female, because its in the image it still would not be tagged yuri.

@Algasir: Disagree. Those are two completely separate...

2011-02-13T07:54:16-05:00

Disagree. Those are two completely separate things going on, and should be tagged as such.

@NWF_Renim: It's things like that that made me propose that...

2011-02-13T07:51:47-05:00

It's things like that that made me propose that we might need something like a female_on_female tag in forum #47164, though everyone kept misunderstanding what I was trying to say. Particularly thinking that I wanted to redefine the yuri tag, when I was trying to promote a new tag to cover cases the yuri tag did not.

@sgcdonmai: Okay, on a related topic, there's a bit of...

2011-02-13T07:31:35-05:00

Okay, on a related topic, there's a bit of disagreement between myself and rantuyetmai in regard to post #851759.

In the background, Sakuya and Remilia are engaged in some yuri foot-licking.

In the foreground, Koakuma (futanari) is penetrating Meiling.

I would argue that, regardless of what's going on in the back row, prominent futa on female content like that is just too much dick in the pic to keep the yuri tag on.

Thoughts?

@rantuyetmai: Sorry Magus, but that matter had settled down...

2010-11-14T13:16:34-05:00

Sorry Magus, but that matter had settled down so it's best to not revoke another argument about it. I just want to ask about whether the semen yuri pool is necessary anymore.

@Magus: > CountPacula said: > The only current example...

2010-11-14T13:06:06-05:00

CountPacula said:
The only current example of that seems to be post #553439, which, yes, definitely seems absurd to not consider yuri.

Really? That's the only one out of the 700000+ posts on Danbooru?

Obviously I haven't checked every post to confirm this and I'm not going to attempt to. But if nothing else, you've got to acknowledge the possibility of multi-panel posts where one panel shows a heterosexual scene and another shows yuri.

@rantuyetmai: Now that we had a conclusion, I think pool...

2010-11-13T13:42:20-05:00

Now that we had a conclusion, I think pool #2347 (Semen-Garnished "Yuri") is not necessary anymore. Anything with a yuri tag in this pool can be searched with yuri cum, anything that doesn't is already in "Almost Yuri". Can we delete it?

@NeverGonnaGive: > sgcdonmai said: > A black-and-white rule...

2010-10-19T09:12:05-04:00

sgcdonmai said:
A black-and-white rule would be awfully convenient for me and my blacklist...

Which has a very strict limit on the amount of exclusions it can contain, rite?

@sgcdonmai: A black-and-white rule would be awfully...

2010-10-18T01:51:54-04:00

A black-and-white rule would be awfully convenient for me and my blacklist...

@jxh2154: > evazion said: This is just begging the...

2010-10-17T18:37:44-04:00

evazion said: This is just begging the question. The whole disagreement is over what counts as male engagement, and particularly if the the mere presence of cum is enough to count.

I'm talking about a physical body presence in the image, engaged in the sex act itelf. Therefore that Railgun bus orgy image is still yuri, of course. The male is not touching or even near any of them.

but because the girls are portrayed as being less interested in each other and more in the male viewer that's implied to have just fucked/came all over them.

Unfortunately that's the case with plenty of yuri, cum-filled or not. Artists seem to have a very hard time realizing that yuri works better if their eye contact is with each other, not the viewer. A huge percentage of yuri is cop-out yuri but hey, this is the same country that struggles with writing girl-girl doujins without one of the girls growing a penis or three.

At any rate it's all something to keep in mind when tagging, and there will be lots of gray areas, but I really don't see any merit in a black and white rule.

@evazion: > jxh2154 said: > If there are no males engaged...

2010-10-17T14:15:16-04:00

jxh2154 said:
If there are no males engaged in the sex, but two or more females are, then it's yuri.

This is just begging the question. The whole disagreement is over what counts as male engagement, and particularly if the the mere presence of cum is enough to count.

If two girls are making out with each other while they're being penetrated by two other guys, it's not yuri, but it's the almost yuri pool.

This kind of situation is precisely what the bisexual tag was made for.

CountPacula said:
I agree that a non-participating male audience by itself, where the girls aren't interacting with the audience at all, shouldn't invalidate an image. However, if the girls are clearly 'performing' for the male's sake, shouldn't he be considered part of the scene?

I agree with this. There are a lot of things under yuri cum that I wouldn't call yuri, not because there's cum present, but because the girls are portrayed as being less interested in each other and more in the male viewer that's implied to have just fucked/came all over them. E.g. post #572189, post #701843, and most everything under yuri take_your_pick.

@CountPacula: > Fencedude said: > stomp stomp stompSir,...

2010-10-17T13:55:40-04:00

Fencedude said:
*stomp* *stomp* *stomp*

Sir, Yes, Sir! Sir, standing duly smacked down, Sir!

@KeliraTelian: > CountPacula said: > OK, I've got another idea...

2010-10-17T13:10:13-04:00

CountPacula said:
OK, I've got another idea that that might actually satisfy everybody here. The basic problem is one of definition, and that I didn't realize how attached some people were to the current definition until I tried to move it to what I thought was 'right'.

Here's the thing, you don't get to decide what is right, keep that in mind in the future when you have a brilliant idea for sweeping changes.

Anyway, jxh said we're keeping things as they were, so we'll do that. Do me a favor and go and fix any images you took the yuri tag off of that I didn't already change back.