Tag Alias: virgin -> bleeding_from_pussy

@nonamethanks: [bur:2396] Reason: > Hillside_Moose said: > ...

2020-03-25T21:11:25-04:00

The bulk update request #2396 is pending approval.

remove alias defloration -> virgin
mass update virgin -> defloration
create implication hymen -> virgin

Reason:

Hillside_Moose said:

But I get it, you want a tag covering virginity as a concept. We could use a new tag like virginity for such situations, instead of putting it in a virgin pile and relying on several negation searches.

This doesn't answer the question of what to do with the 120 or so posts under hymen -virgin, which still counts as being virgin. There's also who knows how many under hymen virgin that don't have any blood, so go against the current wiki definition of the tag.

This wouldn't be the first time we unmake 10-years-old implications/aliases anyway, because nobody at the time was thinking of making tags future-proof.

All the posts currently tagged with the wiki definition of virgin could be searched with defloration instead, there's no need for negative searches. If anything, an umbrella tag is be better than the current situation.

(I can't add "imply defloration -> virgin" to the request due to site limitations, I'll create a new one for it if this is approved).

@Hillside_Moose: > nonamethanks said: > > It's not just one...

2020-03-24T23:19:02-04:00

nonamethanks said:

It's not just one picture.
Another bunch just from a quick search:
post #114719
post #3830404
post #3830380

It's hard to find more because there's no tag for it.
Anyway, to not affect the current tag I've created implied virgin for them.

Again, more text. The last post is just a tent, where's the "virgin" in that one? If you suggest tagging the parent post with virgin, you went from borderline meta to full meta.

But I get it, you want a tag covering virginity as a concept. We could use a new tag like virginity for such situations, instead of putting it in a virgin pile and relying on several negation searches.

@nonamethanks: > Mysterious_Uploader said: > > I think...

2020-03-24T08:57:09-04:00

Mysterious_Uploader said:

I think changing the current meaning to defloration, like suggested before, and implying something like hymen and defloration to virgin could be useful.

Yeah there's another hundred or so posts under hymen -virgin too.

@Mysterious_Uploader: > Hillside_Moose said: > > This thread's...

2020-03-24T08:49:12-04:00

Hillside_Moose said:

This thread's almost nine years old. The virgin tag has a lot of baggage you're asking everyone to overcome for the sake of one meme pic (that, without the text, border on meta).

I think changing the current meaning to defloration, like suggested before, and implying something like hymen and defloration to virgin could be useful.

@nonamethanks: > Hillside_Moose said: > > This thread's...

2020-03-24T08:44:59-04:00

Hillside_Moose said:

This thread's almost nine years old. The virgin tag has a lot of baggage you're asking everyone to overcome for the sake of one meme pic (that, without the text, border on meta).

It's not just one picture.
Another bunch just from a quick search:
post #114719
post #3830404
post #3830380

It's hard to find more because there's no tag for it.
Anyway, to not affect the current tag I've created implied virgin for them.

@Hillside_Moose: This thread's almost nine years old. The virgin...

2020-03-24T00:44:53-04:00

This thread's almost nine years old. The virgin tag has a lot of baggage you're asking everyone to overcome for the sake of one meme pic (that, without the text, border on meta).

@nonamethanks: > worldendDominator said: > > I have wondered...

2020-03-23T17:16:55-04:00

worldendDominator said:

I have wondered once why virgin isn't called defloration instead considering its "official" use. That would also leave virgin free for uses such as nonamethanks linked above, if neccessary.

What about removing the current alias, and then implicating defloration to virgin? That way virgin -defloration would cover the cases without actual defloration.

@worldendDominator: I have wondered once why virgin isn't called...

2020-03-23T17:10:02-04:00

I have wondered once why virgin isn't called defloration instead considering its "official" use. That would also leave virgin free for uses such as nonamethanks linked above, if neccessary.

@heartattack: Pictures involving an intact hymen (nsfw...

2020-03-23T01:37:19-04:00

Pictures involving an intact hymen (nsfw obviously) are often tagged virgin but usually don't have blood.

@nonamethanks: Resurrecting this topic from the grave. Should...

2020-03-22T12:37:50-04:00

Resurrecting this topic from the grave. Should post #3830228 and similar be tagged as virgin when it's made clear the character is a virgin? I'm asking this because the wiki states it only applies to defloration but I haven't found any other tag to express the same concept.

@jxh2154: The instances of vaginal bleeding that aren't...

2011-04-23T14:43:25-04:00

The instances of vaginal bleeding that aren't intended to be related to sex are few, so you wont get much tag pollution if for some reason you want to search for images depicting this.

So I agree with NWF to just have vaginal_bleeding be for any type of bleeding. Then menstruation can be added as necessary where it fits the subset of bleeding.

@NWF_Renim: Thinking about this a bit more. If you guys...

2011-04-21T13:45:45-04:00

Thinking about this a bit more. If you guys are going to try and make such a change, why not simply go all the way and allow your vaginal_bleeding tag to cover all forms of vaginal bleeding, including nonsexual bleeding. There would be no need in excluding nonsexual images, since you could simply do a vaginal_bleeding sex search just for vaginal bleeding with sex.

Additionally, then the virgin tag could be changed to be when the image has some sort of indicator (symbols, text, etc) that the character is a virgin and be used to also cover nonsexual images as well.

In short, I'd support either going nowhere or going further than what is proposed.

@feline_lump: Again, I think if virgin is allowed to stay, it...

2011-04-21T13:45:37-04:00

Again, I think if virgin is allowed to stay, it will become redundant. There are very few situations where it would apply that would not also be covered by the new term, and it's not like there is a large range of people who want to see people bleeding while penetrated only if they say they are virgins. If we don't tag those examples, then you just have people mentioning that they are virgins and other such things. That would be like tagging a picture with doctor if a character mentions that they are a doctor while not on the job.

As for the argument that there are very few cases where they are not actually virgins: You can't assume that every artist thinks that way. For example, there is pool #3253. In it, Sakuya is penetrated a total of four times, but only bleeds three times. In those three times, it is also clear that the penetration is rough and forceful. Yet, it is tagged as virgin both times even though at least one case is blatantly incorrect.

If you want a less ambiguous name, bleeding while penetrated could work.

@sgcdonmai: The fact is, nearly 100% of all cases in...

2011-04-21T13:32:42-04:00

The fact is, nearly 100% of all cases in Japanese art where blood is exiting the vagina, it's because of a torn hymen. Never mind conflicts with reality; as far as Japanese erotic art is concerned, vaginal blood = defloration.

The very few cases where this is not so would fall squarely in the realm of guro, and to the best of my understanding, tagging it that way on Danbooru would solve the problem.

@NWF_Renim: One, there is the information there that can...

2011-04-21T13:18:13-04:00

One, there is the information there that can explicitly indicate the character is a virgin. Ignoring such information means losing that information, particularly information that people will actually search for. It's not useless information, and it does carry meaning for the image.

Two, the new term's name is ambiguous. You argue now for a stricter definition and you can write all you want in the wiki, but as time goes on what will matter most is the name of the tag. People will inevitably start adding other images, particularly menstruation to this new tag. People will start expanding and changing the definition of the tag because of how broad its name is. Thinking it won't happen is rather silly. Having this as an implication and thus a subcategory already in place before it happens will save time and a headache in the future.

@スラッシュ: How do you show someone being a virgin? By...

2011-04-21T13:07:55-04:00

How do you show someone being a virgin? By saying it in the text? Having a little picture of a cherry next to their head? I'm not to sure if that's really a valuable tag to have. And since virgin as a tag has meant "vaginal bleeding in a sexual situation" on this site for so long, I think the alias makes the most sense. That way, virgin acts as a shortcut, sort of.

@NWF_Renim: > feline_lump said: > I'm not too sure whether...

2011-04-21T13:07:45-04:00

feline_lump said:
I'm not too sure whether virgin being used for characters that are shown to be virgins is a good idea. I can't think of any posts that could apply that aren't covered by bleeding from pussy/vaginal bleeding.

There are people who would explicitly look for images in which it is indicated that the character is a virgin. There can be a plenty of indicators (text in the image, pixiv tags, artist comments, etc) that would indicate whether the character was a virgin or not. At minimum, because such stuff does exist, you'll never get an alias, but at best an implication.

Frankly I think you're over thinking the weight of alternative forms of vaginal bleeding, as well as underestimating the use of vaginal bleeding to deliberately indicate the character is a virgin in hentai. In hentai, the number one source for vaginal blood is going to be due to defloration, all other alternatives are going to be in the extreme minority.

Can you provide examples in which it isn't ambiguous, but clearly vaginal bleeding that isn't due to defloration?

@feline_lump: The reason I picked bleeding from pussy is for...

2011-04-21T11:47:10-04:00

The reason I picked bleeding from pussy is for consistency with the pussy tag, but if that's not required, then I like vaginal bleeding better.

I also think it should be separate from menstruation, because virgin is currently being used for pictures where a female is bleeding in a sexual situation. If someone wanted to search for women on their period, they would have to go through a lot of irrelevant results.

I'm not too sure whether virgin being used for characters that are shown to be virgins is a good idea. I can't think of any posts that could apply that aren't covered by bleeding from pussy/vaginal bleeding.

@Saladofstones: I think virgin can be used if the image makes...

2011-04-21T11:34:02-04:00

I think virgin can be used if the image makes it clear that she is a virgin.

I'm not sure if its something people really search for when they want porn, though.

@Zekana: if this is changed, i think vaginal_bleeding...

2011-04-21T11:19:04-04:00

if this is changed, i think vaginal_bleeding may sound a little better in practice.
just be for all kinds of situations when blood is coming from the vagina, like said with Menstruation, as well as hymen breaking or someone actually cutting the inside of the vagina.