Tag group clean up: Technology / Sci-fi / Robots

@anon153: The misc and unsorted sections are now largely...

2013-04-17T03:05:09-04:00

The misc and unsorted sections are now largely cleaned up and sorted into a few new categories. I think that is enough categorization for us.

@reese: I know some fantasy mecha do look like suits of...

2012-12-17T11:05:24-05:00

I know some fantasy mecha do look like suits of armour (e.g. the Escaflowne) but if the giant suit of armour doesn't look like it has any mechanical components to it and the artist's comments or Pixiv tags aren't telling you otherwise then it's probably just armour and not mecha.

@ion288: Unless it is obvious from the image that they...

2012-12-17T09:04:58-05:00

Unless it is obvious from the image that they are not fancy looking mecha I say tag them thus. If their insides are shown to be hollow or they are otherwise clearly animated by magic then tag them golem.

@Hillside_Moose: ...maybe? I think the tag is meant for mecha...

2012-12-17T08:29:48-05:00

...maybe? I think the tag is meant for mecha within the vein of Gundam. Would like to hear other thoughts on this though.

@dragnfly: This seems like the discussion to ask this. I...

2012-12-16T04:23:59-05:00

This seems like the discussion to ask this. I ran into an issue for mecha when looking for pics of little girls sitting on/being carried by giant robots.

In the case gigantic animated suits of armour, do they count as Mecha? I sometimes see the Golem tag used for them, and sometimes just armour. Things like the Asura Makina from Asura Cryin' and post #1310328

@anon153: I'd like to include my suggestion from forum...

2012-10-18T22:19:15-04:00

I'd like to include my suggestion from forum #79826 in this topic.

@ion288: Did we ever agree that all large mecha like...

2012-09-23T10:18:07-04:00

Did we ever agree that all large mecha like robots should be taget mecha? Example post #565012.

@anon153: Now that the hardware tag names have been...

2012-08-29T02:13:14-04:00

Now that the hardware tag names have been pretty much resolved, I've cleaned up the unsorted tags a bit. I deleted the duplicates and categorized some of them. My suggestions are beside most of the remainder of the tags.

Some ideas for handling the unsorted tags would be:

The tag group:sciences for those that have many scientific characteristics
Extra subheaders, such as a See Also subheader for technology-related characters, such as named robots and named mecha musume, and an Alien Technology subheader for technology that clearly belongs to alien races.
An Object Characteristics tag group for tags such as glowing, heavy, broken, and neon-trim

@NWF_Renim: It'd be better to use continuous_tracks or...

2012-03-25T18:48:21-04:00

It'd be better to use continuous_tracks or caterpillar_tracks (can replace tracks with treads) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuous_track ), as it doesn't emphasis tanks. A tank doesn't necessarily have to have tracks and plenty of non-military vehicles have treads.

I don't really see the harm in having such a tag right now, though not sure how worthwhile it is.

@Serlo: post #500085 make me realise we have no...

2012-03-25T16:41:13-04:00

post #500085 make me realise we have no "tank_treads" tag. Should we have one? There are plenty of examples of tanks that have no treads (post #1058767).

@Serlo: I think I know what to do with the mechanical...

2012-02-22T12:27:57-05:00

I think I know what to do with the mechanical robotic and cybernetic adjectives on danbooru.

Mechanical: Only uses mechanical forces (structural components, levers, clockwork, engines, pneumatics)
Robotic: Is powered by some invisible (or glowing) force like electricity. Usually has or is a moving part.
Cybernetic: Delicate and detailed robotic components that don't generally involve moving and mechanical forces (sensors, chips, etc).

Clockwork is the mechanical equivalent of cybernetic

post #847162 would be mechanical because we can't see any moving parts other than the jet engines, which are mechanical engines.

@Serlo: For describing body parts, we have mechanical,...

2012-02-20T10:54:03-05:00

For describing body parts, we have mechanical, robot, robotic and cybernetic floating about.

robotic

robot

mechanical

cybernetic

cybernetic_eye

For limbs, I could argue there's a subtle difference between robotic, mechanical and cybernetic, but in practice they're all used to tag the same things. I'd like to alias them all to robotic_* (singular)

I use robotic because cybernetic implies cyborg and mechanical does not imply moving parts (I think of a simple litter-grabber when I hear mechanical_arm). I'm not sure what to do with cybernetic, mechanical, robotic and mechanical_parts yet. I'm also not too sure about aliasing:

mechanical_broom - only 1 post, just not sure what else to tag it as
mechanical_wings -> robotic_wing - unlike limbs, mechanical_wings often tags purely structural wings with no robotic/moving parts or even symbolic wings, not large cybernetic wings. I think the tag needs splitting
robot_joints -> robotic_joints - might want to be consistent with doll_joints. robotic_joints sounds a little off otherwise
robot_ears usually tags little headphone-like antennae sticking out of the ears to indicate a robot, not cybernetic ear-replacements. there might be some merit in labelling delicate parts "cybernetic"

robot_ears -> robotic_ears
cybernetic_eye -> robotic_eye

@Serlo: I'm also creating a new tag: Construct for...

2012-02-20T08:25:40-05:00

I'm also creating a new tag: Construct for humanoid-like creations like Frankenstein's monster and the creature in pool #4645: Hey Hey, (Oikawa Uso)

Edit: And Clank for humanoid steam-powered robots. I took these terms from girlgenius.com so obviously the names are up for discussion.

As well, there seems to be one deleted/loli/shota image under ratchet_&_clank that tags the character Clank. Could someone change that to clank_(character) or clank_(ratchet_&_clank) please.

@Serlo: I would like to clean up the current...

2012-02-20T08:07:34-05:00

I would like to clean up the current definitions of android and robot. From their current wiki pages:

Android
By rule of thumb, androids should look at least 80% human, usually having something resembling skin (though it needn't be skin-colored) and fully human faces.

Robot
Images tagged robot are usually those machines that are not designed to appear human (although there is not currently a consensus on if the tag should be used like this).

I would like the robot tag to be used only for mostly non-humanoid robots and either the android tag to include vaguely human-shaped robots or use an "anthropomorphic robot" tag, which android would be implicated to.

Edit: Forget the replicant suggestion.

@Serlo: post #1094758 got me wondering what to tag...

2012-02-11T12:01:59-05:00

post #1094758 got me wondering what to tag control panels on the arm, like the one on hatsune miku's costume. We have no tags for control panels, interfaces and devices full of buttons, it seems.

@Shinjidude: > Serlo said: > Even their artificial nature...

2012-02-09T17:12:26-05:00

Serlo said:
Even their artificial nature can be questioned. So it seem that outside all that, almost anything more complex than drill can be called a robot.

I think you are making this much broader than the term actually applies to. Something like a hand tool or appliance pretty obviously doesn't fit the term "robot".

Looking at the dictionary definition for "robot", there are two separate definitions that work for our purposes:

1: a machine that resembles a human and does mechanical, routine tasks on command.

3: any machine or mechanical device that operates automatically with humanlike skill.

The first works for mecha and androids that may or may not be automatic, but are humanoid and do tasks on command.

The second works for basically any form and any composition of unmanned robot (virtual bots would need to be projected into a virtual space; IRC bots are metaphorical and wouldn't be tagged as such here). There needs to be some degree of aromaticity and independence from an operator to qualify here.

A drill is not a robot, a mobile platform that can drill on its own is.

As for the previous discussion, I think the three levels proposed (mecha, exosuit, power armor) are more or less appropriate. However, I wouldn't classify a plugsuit as power armor (it's more of a wearable technology or e-textile used as a sensor system than anything that would augment the user's abilities).

I also have a hard time considering power armor (like the HEV suit from Half-Life) as a robot on its own. It fails the first definition since it looks like clothing rather than a human, and it fails the second because it has no degree of automaticity). I would classify a striker unit as the same type of device (though probably not the same tag) as a power suit.

@Serlo: Today has made me realise just how unbelievably...

2012-02-09T14:14:41-05:00

Today has made me realise just how unbelievably vague the term "robot" actually is.

It's nearly impossible to categorise, partly because "autonomy" is a grey scale with few well-defined levels (self-aware, conscious, independent, fully automatic, controlled through orders, piloted/wielded), all of which can apply to a robot; and partly because robots can be made of out anything and follow any design to meet these levels: Electronic, plastic, mechanical, metal, heck even wood and magic....

Edit: In fact just about the only thing we can agree to say about them is: They're not humans, animals or plants; they're different from computers and cyborgs; they can be purely mechanical, electrical or virtual (IRC bots, etc), but not purely anything else like organic, magic or spiritual. Even their artificial nature can be questioned. So it seem that outside all that, almost anything more complex than drill can be called a robot.

@reese: > Serlo said: > Edit: Does a mecha have to have...

2012-02-09T13:46:26-05:00

Serlo said:
Edit: Does a mecha have to have an on-board pilot? I would say yes, but then I'd also call the mobile dolls from Gundam Wing mechas, even though they were controlled by on-board AI.

No. They just have to be large robots. Because the pilot isn't typically visible in the image, there's no way to tell what's piloting the mecha, human or otherwise.

@Serlo: I suppose characters wearing things that look...

2012-02-09T13:21:45-05:00

I suppose characters wearing things that look like striker units can be dealt with when that arrives.

Seeing as exoskeleton has no wiki page, only 6 posts and already has a few examples of what I was thinking of, I'll use it to tag the "mech suits" I discussed earlier.

Edit: Does a mecha have to have an on-board pilot? I would say yes, but then I'd also call the mobile dolls from Gundam Wing mechas, even though they were controlled by on-board AI.

@NWF_Renim: I'm not sure if the striker_unit tag is Strike...

2012-02-09T13:19:26-05:00

I'm not sure if the striker_unit tag is Strike Witches specific, but I do think it is restricted to a specific mechanical pod units worn on the legs of mecha musume. the leggings in your examples are more like armored/mechanical boots more than anything else.