Tag aliases: humans characters of Pokémon, English -> Japanese

@jxh2154: Did the latest list.

2012-04-02T15:08:59-04:00

Did the latest list.

@Danielx21: Removed Jesse.

2012-03-26T05:19:50-04:00

Removed Jesse.

@Hillside_Moose: > Danielx21 said: > "Jesse" is a common...

2012-03-26T04:30:59-04:00

Danielx21 said:
"Jesse" is a common alternative spelling of Jessie.

No, Jesse is the male variant of Jessie, not an alternate spelling.

@Danielx21: Thank you for submitting the ones of the top...

2012-03-26T01:18:39-04:00

Thank you for submitting the ones of the top post. I have been using them regularly.

Here's a new list, including the non-submitted requests from previous (non-top) posts, all in one place.

@jxh2154: Submitted the ones in the top post

2012-03-03T21:31:38-05:00

Submitted the ones in the top post

@Danielx21: bumps (And I expanded the list of already...

2012-03-03T03:33:34-05:00

*bumps*

(And I expanded the list of already existing EN>JA aliases at the final of the first post, some more.)

@Danielx21: Fair enough; I see we don't want to teach...

2012-02-20T05:54:52-05:00

Fair enough; I see we don't want to teach people to try any name variation. But, in any case, I suppose an "extensive and thorough alias list" following the simple rule "first-name in English, followed by (pokemon)" not do any harm.

Especially, since most (but not all) of the names I listed already have 30 or more posts. Gym Leaders tend to be pretty well-known and often drawn. You can see the bold names in list of pokemon characters.

Danielx21 said:

On the one hand, I would probably use oak_(pokemon) if it existed. I, personally, don't think it is that ambiguous, because AFAIK nobody calls his grandchildren Mr. and Ms. Oak... On the other hand, if other people prefer to avoid using the surname of Blue Oak and Daisy Oak that way, I wouldn't mind taking this alias off the list.

Interestingly, I just remembered that we have odamaki_(pokemon) and odamaki_sapphire as two different characters. And, once more, I don't see an inherent ambiguity here. Nobody calls Sapphire just "Odamaki".

T5J8F8 said:
Man, glad I'm not the one typing it this time. But we're missing out on some of the professors. Namely Elm, Birch, and Rowan, though there's no prof._juniper in place.

I think we could have at least these aliases:

create alias elm_(pokemon) -> utsugi_(pokemon)
create alias birch_(pokemon) -> odamaki_(pokemon)
create alias rowan_(pokemon) -> nanakamado_(pokemon)
create alias (this one already exists) juniper_(pokemon) -> araragi_(pokemon)
create alias aurea_juniper -> araragi_(pokemon)

Their versions with "professor" would be these:

(They are well-known as "professor ...", but I don't know if having multiple aliases this way could be controversial. Rampardos said: "One gripe about the list, though. Five whole aliases just for Professor Oak who doesn't even have 50 images under his belt? Full english name and at least one form of Professor_Oak (personally prefer the full version) should be fine.")

EDIT:

Converted the list to the format "create alias tag1 -> tag2".

@Rampardos: You're looking at this awfully backwards. You...

2012-02-15T13:34:14-05:00

You're looking at this awfully backwards. You wouldn't have to remember that ash_(pokemon) doesn't exist, you would only have to remember his full name. Full character names are what people should expect to use, and it's not like his full name isn't well known.

It would actually be more misleading to make people think that they should be able to search any variation of a name and get a result, since extensive and thorough alias lists are not common. Instead, people learn Danbooru's standards for names in tags, like Japanese ordering, and don't get used to convenient aliases.

I'll admit I'm nitpicking, and it's fine if these aliases go through, but I just think it's important to be consistent.

For the record, though, I think the brock_(pokemon) alias is fine.

@Danielx21: > reese said: > (things)And my reply is: >...

2012-02-15T07:03:45-05:00

reese said:
(things)

And my reply is:

Danielx21 said:
Note: I'm keeping in mind that, as standard practice for this series, virtually all human characters without surnames have the "(pokemon)" qualifier.

...as I suppose it would be somewhat frustrating having to guess or remember that specifically ash_(pokemon), flannery_(pokemon), brock_(pokemon) and gary_(pokemon) are exceptions that should NOT ever have the qualifiers. (especially since Ash, Gary and Brock are among the best-known Pokémon characters; and Flannery is well-known enough, too, as a Gym Leader)

In other words: I do support the Ash/Flannery/Brock/Gary aliases with (pokemon) in the end, for orthogonality with the big system of virtually always using that qualifier.

(Well, we have a few very underused tags like brock_samson that share these names, which could be an additional argument in favor of having brock_(pokemon); but, frankly, my best guess is that they don't count to make "brock" and "ash" absolutely ambiguous.)

On the one hand, I would probably use oak_(pokemon) if it existed. I, personally, don't think it is that ambiguous, because AFAIK nobody calls his grandchildren Mr. and Ms. Oak... On the other hand, if other people prefer to avoid using the surname of Blue Oak and Daisy Oak that way, I wouldn't mind taking this alias off the list.

EDIT:

Some wording.

@reese: I have to agree with Rampardos. Some of those...

2012-02-15T06:16:58-05:00

I have to agree with Rampardos. Some of those aliases don't seem necessary. brock_(pokemon) for example doesn't seem necessary because there's one character currently (and likely ever) that has "Brock" as a given name. Misty is more ambiguous so I can understand aliasing the qualifier.

I would take the following off the list.

Oak for the reasons given by Rampardos, Gary and Ash both have surnames so they aren't ambiguous, and Brock and Flannery for my reason given earlier in this post.

@Rampardos: I can verify Cedric is accurate, but I've never...

2012-02-14T21:56:24-05:00

I can verify Cedric is accurate, but I've never Aurea either. We could go with Aurea_Juniper as the primary but I think Professor_Juniper should at least be aliased to it. Her father only technically has the name, the game almost always referred to him by his name and her as Professor Juniper.

One gripe about the list, though. Five whole aliases just for Professor Oak who doesn't even have 50 images under his belt? Full english name and at least one form of Professor_Oak (personally prefer the full version) should be fine. Oak_(pokemon) is particularly useless considering it's completely ambiguous. It's a bit excessive to request every imaginable variation of a name for these kinds of things.

Other than that I support the idea. I can never remember the japanese names since I couldn't care less about the anime.

@NeverGonnaGive: > Hillside_Moose said: > I should mention that...

2012-02-14T14:56:34-05:00

Hillside_Moose said:
I should mention that I'm cribbing notes from TV Tropes, but I'm fairly sure they're accurate.

I was reffin' Bulbapedia, which has quotes namedropping Cedric, but nothing on their pages about "Aurea".

@Log: > T5J8F8 said: > My philosophy has been to...

2012-02-14T09:54:23-05:00

T5J8F8 said:
My philosophy has been to suggest an alias after a certain threshold of posts (wanna say 30). But, yeah, buncha names, here.

30-50 is generally the recommended minimum threshold, yes.

@Hillside_Moose: > T5J8F8 said: > So I see (I really need to go...

2012-02-14T09:36:44-05:00

T5J8F8 said:
So I see (I really need to go beat Black). They also seem to have given names in English, though I don't know where the female's pops up.

Female Araragi is called Aurea Juniper ("Aurea" was only given in the official English guidebook, not in-game), while her father is Cedric Juniper. I should mention that I'm cribbing notes from TV Tropes, but I'm fairly sure they're accurate.

@NeverGonnaGive: My philosophy has been to suggest an alias...

2012-02-14T09:36:08-05:00

My philosophy has been to suggest an alias after a certain threshold of posts (wanna say 30). But, yeah, buncha names, here.

@NWF_Renim: I think we might want to consider a similar...

2012-02-14T09:34:08-05:00

I think we might want to consider a similar approach I suggested at the end of forum #55970. Instead of making all these aliases, it might be better to consider simply listing out the characters and making notes to what the character's English name is on the list.

@NeverGonnaGive: So I see (I really need to go beat Black). They...

2012-02-14T09:26:24-05:00

So I see (I really need to go beat Black). They also seem to have given names in English, though I don't know where the female's pops up.

@Hillside_Moose: There are two Professor Junipers, though the...

2012-02-14T09:22:14-05:00

There are two Professor Junipers, though the female one is the more popular one, obviously.

@NeverGonnaGive: Man, glad I'm not the one typing it this time....

2012-02-14T09:00:48-05:00

Man, glad I'm not the one typing it this time. But we're missing out on some of the professors. Namely Elm, Birch, and Rowan, though there's no prof._juniper in place.

@Danielx21: Reason: * To have the English names as...

2012-02-14T00:16:58-05:00

Reason:

To have the English names as alternative tags for human characters of Pokémon.

There are a lot of them (and most likely even more characters to be created in the future), so I'd encourage more people to continue posting these requests here.

Note: I'm keeping in mind that, as standard practice for this series, virtually all human characters without surnames have the "(pokemon)" qualifier.

create alias samuel_oak -> ookido_yukinari
create alias prof_oak -> ookido_yukinari
create alias prof._oak -> ookido_yukinari
create alias professor_oak -> ookido_yukinari
create alias oak_(pokemon) -> ookido_yukinari
create alias green_oak -> ookido_green
create alias gary_oak -> ookido_shigeru
create alias gary_(pokemon) -> ookido_shigeru
create alias bill_(pokemon) -> sonezaki_masaki
create alias ash_(pokemon) -> satoshi_(pokemon)

Here is the list of gym leaders, in in-game order:

P.S.:

Interestingly, some existing aliases are (expanded list):