Tag implication: red_(pokemon)_(classic) -> red_(pokemon)

@Danielx21: Next step, deleted this one as equally...

2012-07-05T04:05:00-04:00

Next step, deleted this one as equally superfluous:

natsume_(pokemon)_(hgss) → natsume_(pokemon) pokemon_hgss

These others are less easy to delete, so I'd like them to stay. Replacing them by searches with copyright tags (when possible) would exceptionally generate a lot of noise. For example, there are FRLG!Green and HGSS!Green (among other characters), but FRLG!Green appears in many images with HGSS characters.

If someone has ideas for replacing them, (or even renaming them) I'd like to know. Otherwise, they look pretty good as character variation tags, along the lines of hakurei_reimu_(classic) from Touhou.

red_(pokemon)_(classic)

Basically, red_(pokemon) pokemon_rgby.

red_(pokemon)_(remake)

Basically, red_(pokemon) pokemon_frlg.

blue_(pokemon)_(classic)

Basically, blue_(pokemon) pokemon_rgby.
Most, but not all, are blue_(pokemon) black_dress.

ookido_green_(classic)

Basically, ookido_green pokemon_rgby.

ookido_green_(frlg)

Basically, ookido_green pokemon_frlg.

ookido_green_(hgss)

Basically, ookido_green pokemon_hgss.

haruka_(pokemon_emerald)
yuuki_(pokemon_emerald)
kasumi_(pokemon_ag)
satoko_(pokemon)

Just satoshi_(pokemon) crossdressing would suffice, but this one seems to be a special case, simply because his female persona is well-known and named. (despite having so few tagged posts at this moment)

satoshi_(pokemon)_(classic)

@Danielx21: > Danielx21 said: > splitting the posts between...

2012-05-13T07:21:30-04:00

Danielx21 said:
splitting the posts between the copyright tags and updating the wikis.

Almost done. AFAIK, all the RGBY/GSC/FRLG/HGSS protagonists, all the rivals, most Gym Leaders and most other characters have been split.

(post #1151532 is interesting; it has all the tags)

Generally, the affected character/copyright searches, such as matsuba_(pokemon) pokemon_hgss and gold_(pokemon) pokemon_hgss, seem to work very well.

Below is the first list of char variation tags to be deleted, according to my plans. These are easy ones.

The last three wear winter_clothes.

@jxh2154: Done the ones in the big list

2012-04-28T12:56:07-04:00

Done the ones in the big list

@Danielx21: bumps jhx, please do the alias/implication...

2012-04-28T11:01:24-04:00

*bumps*

jhx, please do the alias/implication list above.

(lxs' last comment is like the others; I get it, people here don't like the Pokémon _(remake) tags. [even though they are useful, as the best way to tag these varieties that we have at the moment, while the alias list waits to be done])

@lxs: As others have said, I honestly don't see the...

2012-04-27T20:40:02-04:00

As others have said, I honestly don't see the point of *_(remake). It just adds to the clutter, especially since it's only a costume change and not a character redesign like G/S protagonists and HGSS protagonists.

@Danielx21: bumps Here is the code for separating FRLG...

2012-04-22T02:26:17-04:00

*bumps*

Here is the code for separating FRLG from RGBY and HGSS from GSC, as conversed above. Once this is done, I'll take care of splitting the posts between the copyright tags and updating the wikis.

The final result is simply having these 4 tags, each with a number of aliases:

remove alias pokemon_fr -> pokemon_rgby
remove alias pokemon_lg -> pokemon_rgby
remove alias pokemon_frlg -> pokemon_rgby
remove alias pokemon_fr&lg -> pokemon_rgby
remove alias pokemon_firered -> pokemon_rgby
remove alias pokemon_leafgreen -> pokemon_rgby
remove alias pokemon_firered_and_leafgreen -> pokemon_rgby

create alias pokemon_fr -> pokemon_frlg
create alias pokemon_lg -> pokemon_frlg
create alias pokemon_fr&lg -> pokemon_frlg
create alias pokemon_firered -> pokemon_frlg
create alias pokemon_leafgreen -> pokemon_frlg
create alias pokemon_firered_and_leafgreen -> pokemon_frlg

remove alias pokemon_hg -> pokemon_gsc
remove alias pokemon_ss -> pokemon_gsc
remove alias pokemon_hgss -> pokemon_gsc
remove alias pokemon_hg&ss -> pokemon_gsc
remove alias pokemon_heartgold -> pokemon_gsc
remove alias pokemon_soulsilver -> pokemon_gsc
remove alias pokemon_heartgold_and_soulsilver -> pokemon_gsc

create alias pokemon_hg -> pokemon_hgss
create alias pokemon_ss -> pokemon_hgss
create alias pokemon_hg&ss -> pokemon_hgss
create alias pokemon_heartgold -> pokemon_hgss
create alias pokemon_soulsilver -> pokemon_hgss
create alias pokemon_heartgold_and_soulsilver -> pokemon_hgss

create implication pokemon_frlg -> pokemon_(game)
create implication pokemon_hgss -> pokemon_(game)

@Danielx21: Ah! Since you are specifically talking about...

2012-04-16T12:09:16-04:00

Ah! Since you are specifically talking about FRLG and HGSS, I agree that these two pairs games should have their own tags.

The project, then, would be:

splitting pokemon_rgby into pokemon_rgby and pokemon_frlg
splitting pokemon_gsc into pokemon_gsc and pokemon_hgss

@Rampardos: What makes you think I was referring to games...

2012-04-16T11:29:40-04:00

What makes you think I was referring to games like Pokemon Platinum or Pokemon Emerald? I specifically mentioned the ones I was referring to. There's nothing significant about either Platinum, Emerald, or Crystal that requires their own tags. FRLG and HGSS not only had major overhauls, but they were also very anticipated and are often contrasted with the originals in art. They are the only ones that should need their own tags, and it has nothing to do with things that can be covered with alternate_costume or coat.

@Danielx21: bumps > Rampardos said: > Merging the HGSS /...

2012-04-16T09:57:25-04:00

*bumps*

Rampardos said:
Merging the HGSS / FRLG with Pokemon_GSC / Pokemon_RGBY was a mistake, especially if it means this many character tags.

That... depends.

There are a number of characters whose appearance varies between games, but a significant number of other characters don't.

If we split pokemon_dppt into pokemon_dp and pokemon_platinum (tentative names), then all pics of shirona_(pokemon) wearing her official costume — or wearing fanmade alternate costumes, for that matter — would fit BOTH tags. post #1114543 would have both tags.

The same would happen with the Sinnoh Gym leaders, the Elite Four, etc.

Alternatively, we can decide that pokemon_platinum is for Platinum-specific things only. (i.e., for what we don't see in the original Pokémon D&P, such as Hikari's pink winter clothes and the new forms of Giratina and Shaymin) With that, it would make sense implicating it to pokemon_dppt.

@Rampardos: You can barely call Green a redesign. He got a...

2012-04-08T20:36:04-04:00

You can barely call Green a redesign. He got a tucked in shirt and a fanny pack for FRLG. Unless you were referring to the female protagonist of FRLG, but even then it's just a black_dress search.

Anyway, a while back (in forum #71099) I proposed to get rid of the HGSS and FRLG tags because at the time I couldn't see the point. They involve the same people and places and that's about all Danbooru really cares about. However, I also suggested that the slight costume differences can be covered with alternate_costume if needed.

But apparently, instead of having a few extra copyrights for Pokemon we now have three times as many character tags. It completely defeats the point of simplifying the Pokemon tags in the first place.

However, now I realize that I completely overlooked the images that specifically refer to the games themselves, which is pretty common with Pokemon. That's something that can only really be covered by game tags. Merging the HGSS / FRLG with Pokemon_GSC / Pokemon_RGBY was a mistake, especially if it means this many character tags.

@Hillside_Moose: Why do we have all these tags anyway? They're...

2012-04-08T14:44:53-04:00

Why do we have all these tags anyway? They're the same characters. I understand the *_classic tags for Green and Red since they went through a redesign, but the rest is going overboard.

@NeverGonnaGive: Not sure how I'm feeling *_(classic) and...

2012-04-08T12:15:10-04:00

Not sure how I'm feeling *_(classic) and *_(remake) when Green's got *_(frlg) and *_(hgss). I'd think it more standardized to base these tags on the initializations, but then there'd be so many, wouldn't there...? Oy.

EDIT: And Hikari's Platinum outfit can be even as much as the hair clips (yellow in D/P, pink in Pt).

@Danielx21: Most of the time, yes. However, there are some...

2012-04-01T02:30:34-04:00

Most of the time, yes.

However, there are some exceptions. We can't search for red_(pokemon) pokemon_gsc if we want to see him as the GSC/HGSS boss, because that search mostly returns merely images of Red alongside random GSC characters.

The correct place to fulfill that purpose is pool #4149 ("Pokemon - Red at Mt. Silver ").

@Hillside_Moose: A combination search of character + game is...

2012-04-01T00:50:33-04:00

A combination search of character + game is adequate. Having game-specific character tags is overkill.

@Danielx21: Either way is fine with me - having or not...

2012-03-31T16:12:53-04:00

Either way is fine with me - having or not having character tags that can be replaced by other tags. (but, as long as we have them, I have kept them cleaned up and with good wikis - I like them, after all)

You can decide for yourselves.

But, since I went through the trouble of creating and populating them, (also, I gave some time, so I have seen these tags being used in a few posts naturally), I'd appreciate if people devised good replacements for them, which should be an easy task; for example, adding the tags coat and alternate_costume to all instances of hikari_(pokemon)_(remake). I could help with that.

Additionally, in the wiki of kasumi_(pokemon), and other wikis, I have listed notable searchable alternate costumes, such as kasumi_(pokemon) mermaid and kasumi_(pokemon) goldeen_(cosplay).

P.S.:

Interestingly, we have:

So, this is an incomplete (but completable) search of character designs of HGSS, which was the purpose of pokemon_heartgold_and_soulsilver in the past:

*_(hgss)

@Rampardos: We're making new character tags for different...

2012-03-31T15:02:49-04:00

We're making new character tags for different outfits now instead of just using alternate_costume or basic clothing tags? Seriously, Kouki and Hikari's remake tag is literally just a coat search.

Red only had a classic tag since the differences between his appearances was largely untaggable, but I can't imagine why he'd need a remake tag on top of that when it's just a -Red_(pokemon)_(classic) search.

@Danielx21: create implication ookido_green_(frlg) ->...

2012-03-31T14:12:34-04:00

@jxh2154: Done

2012-03-03T20:28:55-05:00

Done

@Danielx21: One more: create implication...

2012-03-01T14:36:17-05:00

One more:

create implication red_(pokemon)_(remake) -> red_(pokemon)

@jxh2154: Done the three mentioned

2011-12-30T19:30:21-05:00

Done the three mentioned

Tag implication: red_(pokemon)_(classic) -> red_(pokemon)

@Danielx21: Next step, deleted this one as equally...

@Danielx21: > Danielx21 said: > splitting the posts between...

@jxh2154: Done the ones in the big list

@Danielx21: *bumps* jhx, please do the alias/implication...

@lxs: As others have said, I honestly don't see the...

@Danielx21: *bumps* Here is the code for separating FRLG...

@Danielx21: Ah! Since you are specifically talking about...

@Rampardos: What makes you think I was referring to games...

@Danielx21: *bumps* > Rampardos said: > Merging the HGSS /...

@Rampardos: You can barely call Green a redesign. He got a...

@Hillside_Moose: Why do we have all these tags anyway? They're...

@NeverGonnaGive: Not sure how I'm feeling *_(classic) and...

@Danielx21: Most of the time, yes. However, there are some...

@Hillside_Moose: A combination search of character + game is...

@Danielx21: Either way is fine with me - having or not...

@Rampardos: We're making new character tags for different...

@Danielx21: create implication ookido_green_(frlg) ->...

@jxh2154: Done

@Danielx21: One more: create implication...

@jxh2154: Done the three mentioned

@Danielx21: bumps jhx, please do the alias/implication...

@Danielx21: bumps Here is the code for separating FRLG...

@Danielx21: bumps > Rampardos said: > Merging the HGSS /...