I'd like pokemon_trainer to have only posts with people visibly acting as Pokémon Trainers (i.e. people training Pokémon, ordering them to battle, showing off their team, etc.)

• post #457054
• post #691398
• post #486126

For that purpose, I'd remove the generic images of people who are Pokémon Trainers but are just doing nothing / having sex / etc. (post #1178967, post #1151156, post #1107706)

Reasons:

• The tag has few posts, it's not clear yet how it should be populated. So, I have this idea.
• Most Pokémon characters are Trainers, anyway. Basically, you just search for pokemon -no_humans or pokemon -personification -no_humans to see all Pokémon Trainers at once. (Because if there's a human in the image, it is probably a Trainer - with some exceptions. Most notably, about 10% of the images with humans have personifications instead of Trainers, so one might want to exclude these from the search, too, assuming someone would ever search for it.)
• I'd like to see visible Pokemon Trainers, yet there's no tag for that exact purpose. Arbitrary combinations of battle / holding_pokeball / fighting_stance work to some extent, but...

Done.

I think you should have figured out by now that no reply doesn't equal agreement. You shouldn't have made any changes without getting additional input first.

NWF_Renim said:
I think you should have figured out by now that no reply doesn't equal agreement. You shouldn't have made any changes without getting additional input first.

Tags are created and wikis are edited, without discussions, all the time. Why expect other people to approve every little thing? That would be an unnecessary burden to place on the approvers' shoulders.

Yet, I explained what I was going to do and why, and waited a month (26 days, actually) before editing a barely used tag. (Whose previous purpose was deprecated by forum #71268, another thread I created.)

Just because people go and make changes without getting outside opinion doesn't mean they should always be doing that, especially on a pre-existing tag. Using that as justification is a poor argument.

If you're just going to go off and do whatever the hell you feel like doing then this makes this whole thread look rather stupid to begin with. You posted this looking for outside opinion on the matter, you didn't get it, so you just go ahead and make the change? You obviously felt this was something that required further opinion on the matter, which is why you posted here. This isn't a matter of just getting approval and having these discussions doesn't increase the burden on the approved's shoulders as the thoughts and opinions of others members on this issue would be equally as important.

Sorry, you've made some wrong assumptions. No offense, but you seem to be arguing against a strawman at some points.

I didn't say that we, generally and indiscriminately, should always be doing changes without getting outside opinions - even though that seems to be what everyone does by default, that obviously wouldn't work for each and every decision. That said, in this case, I deemed reasonable to do so.

Also, the idea could surely benefit from further opinion, but it didn't require it; it follows that I didn't expect an agreement, to begin with - even though I'd appreciate seeing other people supporting my idea, and/or improving it in some way.

I just waited and clearly gave the chance for other people to give opinions, if they wanted to. (even a simple +1 or -1) They didn't.

They can and are welcome to, but don't have to. It's as simple as that.

I agree that thoughts and opinions and other people are equally as important important. In fact, I sort of fear that the lack of replies here means that nobody cares and that the tag will be abandoned and forgotten soon. I hope I'm wrong, but probably I'm not... In any case, I still invite anyone to speak here. They just... didn't. Even you, NWF, does not seem to have anything to say about that tag, as we are just discussing practices in general.

P.S.: IIRC, the change was just removing the tag from post #1109752 and post #1107706, editing the wiki, and adding some images that would have fit the tag perfectly even before the wiki was edited. Probably not worth such a serious discussion about what are the requirements for deciding things, but I don't mind going along.