Individual pokemon game tags

@Danielx21: > S1eth said: > Do we have established rules on...

2013-01-16T05:38:42-05:00

S1eth said:
Do we have established rules on how these tags (the ones which implicate pokemon_(game)) should be used?
I assume that they are only for human characters from that game, parodies of the game's story/mechanics or the game's title being written in the image.

pokemon_rgby, pokemon_gsc, pokemon_rse, pokemon_frlg, pokemon_dppt, pokemon_hgss, pokemon_bw, pokemon_bw2, pokemon_xy

And pokemon_(game).

These are all the tags, in order. True, they are useful for organizing human characters and their variations. They're good for posts parodying game story/mechanics, too, but these are somewhate rare and normally already tagged with human characters from that game. For example, post #1061893 discusses how the bag for item storage worked in the classic games RGBY and GSC, clearly qualifying it for being tagged pokemon_rgby, pokemon_gsc and pokemon_(game) under these grounds, but the (human) protagonists from these games already appear in the post anyway, giving yet another reason for tagging the post as such. post #1263512 is a rare case of a place clearly from Pokémon FRLG, with nobody to see. I'm not sure about tagging posts when they merely have the game title written in the image, but I suppose it wouldn't harm.

As I said before, after S1eth demonstrated with examples, these tags are not so much useful for organizing Pokémon species.

I'd like to remove these game tags when they are only representing the Pokémon species. For example, removing pokemon_bw and pokemon_(game) from post #1054135, as it is clearly not the game, but the anime. Also, removing pokemon_bw and pokemon_(game) from post #1217499, as it is not the game or the manga or the anime; it is not any universe in particular.

As one exception, as already mentioned, pokemon_xy should continue having posts with Pokémon species (in addition to the human characters, places, mechanics and so on), because Pokémon XY is the last novelty. Based on this plan, eventually, even pokemon_xy should be removed from the posts where it only represents Pokémon species, once it outlives its usefulness.

jxh2154 said:
Problem is, the transition is gradual and nobody can predict when it won't really be needed anymore. That "for the time being" is the hard part.

Pokémon XY is scheduled to be released in October 2013. Predictably, that's when its Pokémon species will start appearing in manga and anime en masse, so pokemon_xy will gradually be less useful for looking for a comprehensive Pokémon species of the Generation VI. Even before October 2013, a few random Pokémon species are expected to appear in the anime, prematurely. (Like Donphan, Pichu, etc. appeared before the Generation II.)

Since the transition is gradual, that would not be the exact best moment to remove Pokémon species from pokemon_xy. This is subjective, unfortunately. Once the moment arrives, most likely at some point in 2014, one could create a thread saying: "Now that the Pokémon XY games are old, I'm feeling that pokemon_xy is less useful, with all these Pokémon species there."

The last moment to say that would be when different games are annouced. If (as a reasonable hypothesis), Pokemon A and B are announced in January 2015, that's when the spotlight will not be on pokemon_xy anymore.

Also, I believe the plan is well-thought and I volunteer to help with the dirty work (or do it all, who knows, sometimes I have free time). But if there are other ideas, I'd like to know them, too.

@jxh2154: This is a problem of tags outliving their...

2013-01-14T15:29:17-05:00

This is a problem of tags outliving their usefulness, I think. When a new game comes out, it's quite useful to have pokemon introduced in it under the new game's tag. But laetr on, when they've been in three games, suddenly it's just kind of annoying. Problem is, the transition is gradual and nobody can predict when it won't really be needed anymore. That "for the time being" is the hard part.

@Danielx21: To address one point: I don't see the benefit...

2013-01-09T12:27:47-05:00

To address one point:

I don't see the benefit of using game tags to represent the Pokémon species. The post you mentioned that has six tags only has them because it has Pokémon from six different generations, a system which I don't find useful at all.

Certainly, tagging all instances of snivy as pokemon_bw was meaningful in the time when it only existed in the newly-announced BW games. But, now, it naturally appeared in the anime and mangas, too.

post #1054135 is strictly a depiction of the animeverse, having Satoshi and that particular drawing style, but it is also tagged pokemon_bw because of the presence of Snivy and others, and pokemon_(game) by implication. This makes the latter two tags less useful, since they are flooded with content they should not have.

Not to mention that Snivy is a starter Pokémon of the BW2 games, too, so it is odd at best that we apparently tag all instances of that Pokémon as pokemon_bw but not pokemon_bw2.

This problem, in particular, can be solved by removing the games tags from all posts where the tags are only representing the Pokémon species. For instance, post #1118000 is a drawing of Kirlia and Meloetta together, tagged pokemon_rse and pokemon_bw; and pokemon_(game) by implication. I'm all for removing these three misleading tags. Except pokemon_xy could continue having posts with the new Pokémon species, like post #1336769, for the time being.

If we really need to have tags representing each generation of Pokémon species, from 1 to 6, individually, then they could be generation_i_pokemon (Generation I Pokémon - Diglett, Meowth, Koffing, Chansey, Eevee, etc., you know the rest), generation_ii_pokemon, etc., or something like along those lines. I'm not saying that we necessarily should have them. I'm only pointing out that, if we wanted to, then the system of generation_i_pokemon would be an instantly meaningful and easily manageable way to do it, unlike the other way.

@S1eth: Do we have established rules on how these tags...

2013-01-09T09:24:56-05:00

Do we have established rules on how these tags (the ones which implicate pokemon_(game)) should be used?
I assume that they are only for human characters from that game, parodies of the game's story/mechanics or the game's title being written in the image.

With every new game announcement, we get a lot of images with single pokemon being tagged (for example) pokemon_xy even though that information will be pretty useless in a month or so after release.

post #1336518, post #1336890, post #670262, post #1336607, etc.
post #1336653 has 2 game tags
post #1336965 has SIX game tags

I don't see the benefit in that.