Tag Implication: atelier_escha_and_logy -> atelier_(series)

@jxh2154: > Benit149 said: > > Implicate...

2013-05-03T22:21:11-04:00

Benit149 said:

Implicate atelier_escha_&_logy -> atelier_(series)
Reason: Hasn't been implicated as part of the series yet.

Done

@Benit149: Implicate atelier_escha_&_logy ->...

2013-05-03T12:57:30-04:00

Implicate atelier_escha_&_logy -> atelier_(series)
Reason: Hasn't been implicated as part of the series yet.

@Sal.N: > MyrMindservant said: > > But it is not an...

2013-04-07T10:49:46-04:00

MyrMindservant said:

But it is not an official original title. Being present on the logo or box art does not make it a (part) of official title.

Let's agree to disagree.

@MyrMindservant: But it is not an official original title. Being...

2013-04-07T10:44:00-04:00

But it is not an official original title. Being present on the logo or box art does not make it a (part) of official title.
See http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/アトリエシリーズ for list of all games in the series and their original titles. Or check their individual homepages and see how original title is written in the info/specifications section.

Also, we don't have a rule like that. It's a guideline rather than rule and we do have a good amount of copyright tags that are not compliant with it.

@Benit149
Regarding you first point about full titles being lengthy and cumbersome, please reread jxh2154's post.

@Sal.N: > MyrMindservant said: > > @Sal.N > It seems...

2013-04-07T10:13:49-04:00

MyrMindservant said:

@Sal.N
It seems you totally missed what jxh2154 was trying to say.
Something being present on logo is irrelevant here, the issue was with the length of full title. Which is fairly similar for both eng and original titles so it is not a reason to prefer one option over the other.

How you come to the conclusion I didn't get his point is beyond me.

The argument is about should we use atelier_xxx or xxx_no_atelier. My reponse: the former format is present on the official logo, not something the English localization company made up, so we have the legit reason why we can use it and not breaking Danbooru's rule of "always using the official original title".

@Benit149: I think the English titles are on the Japanese...

2013-04-07T10:12:36-04:00

I think the English titles are on the Japanese logos as well... Here's the list of all the game logos on the games' boxart just to be sure:

Atelier Marie
Atelier Elie
Atelier Lilie
Atelier Iris Eternal Mana
Atelier Iris Eternal Mana 2
Atelier Iris Grand Phantasm
Mana Khemia
Mana Khemia 2
Atelier Rorona
Atelier Totori
Atelier Meruru

I think we get the idea, so I don't need to do the other games. The Atelier series doesn't really need Japanese aliases because:

1. The full Japanese titles are too lengthy and cumbersome, as I proved above.
2. Both the English Atelier_XX and the Japanese XX_no_Atelier title formats are present in the games' titles. For Mana Khemia, the マナケミア kana is present in those logos as well.

@MyrMindservant: @Sal.N It seems you totally missed what jxh2154...

2013-04-07T10:02:05-04:00

@Sal.N
It seems you totally missed what jxh2154 was trying to say.
Something being present on logo is irrelevant here, the issue was with the length of full title. Which is fairly similar for both eng and original titles so it is not a reason to prefer one option over the other.

On the topic of eng vs jp titles. Main part of all original titles is written with katakana, which indicates foreign words. Correct romanization/reading of those words is provided by the game's producer and is used in eng title. So the difference between title variants is rather minuscule and using either one as our tags should be fine.

Personally, I would keep current atelier_(series) tags simply because it requires less effort compared to remaking all the aliases and implications.

@Sal.N: The ENG title is present on the official logo....

2013-04-07T08:30:06-04:00

The ENG title is present on the official logo. It's a legit reason.

@jxh2154: Well sure the Japanese titles look longer if...

2013-04-07T00:07:01-04:00

Well sure the Japanese titles look longer if you compare JP with subtitle to ENG without subtitle. If you include them with both there's no difference:
atelier_ayesha_alchemist_of_the_ground_of_dusk -> ayesha_no_atelier_tasogare_no_daichi_no_renkinjutsushi
Or compare without:
atelier_ayesha -> ayesha_no_atelier

What am I missing?

Not saying we have to alias since it's just atelier_x vs x_no_atelier but the subtitle doesn't seem like a valid reason since you can include it or not include it in either language.

@Benit149: I totally agree. I was just throwing the alias...

2013-04-06T23:02:00-04:00

I totally agree. I was just throwing the alias list out there at least to provide a good explanation for why the Japanese titles aren't being used.

@Log: > jxh2154 said: > > Not sure why we're using...

2013-04-06T22:59:59-04:00

jxh2154 said:

Not sure why we're using the English names for this.

As you can see above the original names are unwieldy as all hell. I'm pretty sure that's the entire reason. Maybe also because every logo has both titles so the advantage of using JP over EN is minimal at best. I'd rather not alias these, personally.

@Benit149: I have no idea either. Maybe no one ever got...

2013-04-06T22:48:45-04:00

I have no idea either. Maybe no one ever got around to requesting aliases.

If the full Japanese titles (XXX_no_Atelier format rather than Atelier_XXX) are desired on Danbooru, then the following aliases would have to occur (listed in chronological order, referred to wiki page for the titles):

atelier_marie -> marie_no_atelier_salburg_no_renkinjutsushi
atelier_marie_alchemist_of_salburg -> marie_no_atelier_salburg_no_renkinjutsushi
marie_no_atelier -> marie_no_atelier_salburg_no_renkinjutsushi

atelier_elie -> elie_no_atelier_salburg_no_renkinjutsushi_2
atelier_elie_alchemist_of_salburg_2 -> elie_no_atelier_salburg_no_renkinjutsushi_2
elie_no_atelier -> elie_no_atelier_salburg_no_renkinjutsushi_2

atelier_lilie -> lilie_no_atelier_salburg_no_renkinjutushi_3
atelier_lilie_alchemist_of_salburg_3 -> lilie_no_atelier_salburg_no_renkinjutushi_3
lilie_no_atelier -> lilie_no_atelier_salburg_no_renkinjutushi_3

atelier_judie -> judie_no_atelier_gramnad_no_renkinjutsushi
atelier_judie_alchemist_of_gramnad -> judie_no_atelier_gramnad_no_renkinjutsushi
judie_no_atelier -> judie_no_atelier_gramnad_no_renkinjutsushi

atelier_viorate -> viorate_no_atelier_gramnad_no_renkinjutsushi_2
atelier_viorate_alchemist_of_gramnad_2 -> viorate_no_atelier_gramnad_no_renkinjutsushi_2
viorate_no_atelier -> viorate_no_atelier_gramnad_no_renkinjutsushi_2

atelier_iris_eternal_mana -> iris_no_atelier_eternal_mana

atelier_iris_eternal_mana_2 -> iris_no_atelier_eternal_mana_2
atelier_iris_the_azoth_of_destiny -> iris_no_atelier_eternal_mana_2

atelier_iris_grand_phantasm -> iris_no_atelier_grand_phantasm

mana_khemia -> mana_khemia_gakuen_no_renkinjutsushi-tachi
mana_khemia_alchemists_of_al-revis -> mana_khemia_gakuen_no_renkinjutsushi-tachi

mana_khemia_2 -> mana_khemia_ochita_gakuen_no_renkinjutsushi-tachi
mana_khemia_2_fall_of_alchemy -> mana_khemia_ochita_gakuen_no_renkinjutsushi-tachi

atelier_rorona -> rorona_no_atelier_arland_no_renkinjutsushi
atelier_rorona_the_alchemist_of_arland -> rorona_no_atelier_arland_no_renkinjutsushi
rorona_no_atelier -> rorona_no_atelier_arland_no_renkinjutsushi

atelier_totori -> totori_no_atelier_arland_no_renkinjutsushi_2
atelier_totori_the_adventurer_of_arland -> totori_no_atelier_arland_no_renkinjutsushi_2
totori_no_atelier -> totori_no_atelier_arland_no_renkinjutsushi_2

atelier_meruru -> meruru_no_atelier_arland_no_renkinjutsushi_3
atelier_meruru_the_apprentice_of_arland -> meruru_no_atelier_arland_no_renkinjutsushi_3
meruru_no_atelier -> meruru_no_atelier_arland_no_renkinjutsushi_3

atelier_marie_elie_and_anis_message_on_the_breeze -> marie_elie_to_anis_no_atelier_soyokaze_kara_no_dengon
atelier_marie_elie_and_anis -> marie_elie_to_anis_no_atelier_soyokaze_kara_no_dengon
atelier_marie_elie_&_anis -> marie_elie_to_anis_no_atelier_soyokaze_kara_no_dengon
marie_elie_to_anis_no_atelier -> marie_elie_to_anis_no_atelier_soyokaze_kara_no_dengon

atelier_lise -> lise_no_atelier_ordre_no_renkinjutsushi
atelier_lise_alchemist_of_ordre -> lise_no_atelier_ordre_no_renkinjutsushi
lise_no_atelier -> lise_no_atelier_ordre_no_renkinjutsushi

atelier_annie -> annie_no_atelier_sera-tou_no_renkinjutsushi
atelier_annie_alchemist_of_sera_island -> annie_no_atelier_sera-tou_no_renkinjutsushi
annie_no_atelier -> annie_no_atelier_sera-tou_no_renkinjutsushi

atelier_lina -> lina_no_atelier_strahl_no_renkinjutsushi
atelier_lina_alchemist_of_strahl -> lina_no_atelier_strahl_no_renkinjutsushi
lina_no_atelier -> lina_no_atelier_strahl_no_renkinjutsushi

atelier_ayesha -> ayesha_no_atelier_tasogare_no_daichi_no_renkinjutsushi
atelier_ayesha_alchemist_of_the_ground_of_dusk -> ayesha_no_atelier_tasogare_no_daichi_no_renkinjutsushi
ayesha_no_atelier -> ayesha_no_atelier_tasogare_no_daichi_no_renkinjutsushi

atelier_escha_&_logy -> escha_to_logy_no_atelier_tasogare_no_sora_no_renkinjutsushi
escha_to_logy_no_atelier -> escha_to_logy_no_atelier_tasogare_no_sora_no_renkinjutsushi

atelier_elkrone -> elkrone_no_atelier_dear_for_otomate
atelier_elkrone_dear_for_otomate -> elkrone_no_atelier_dear_for_otomate
elkrone_no_atelier -> elkrone_no_atelier_dear_for_otomate

And THEN implicate the following:

marie_no_atelier_salburg_no_renkinjutsush -> atelier_(series)

elie_no_atelier_salburg_no_renkinjutsushi_2 -> atelier_(series)

lilie_no_atelier_salburg_no_renkinjutushi_3 -> atelier_(series)

judie_no_atelier_gramnad_no_renkinjutsushi -> atelier_(series)

viorate_no_atelier_gramnad_no_renkinjutsushi_2 -> atelier_(series)

iris_no_atelier_eternal_mana -> atelier_(series)

iris_no_atelier_eternal_mana_2 -> atelier_(series)

iris_no_atelier_grand_phantasm -> atelier_(series)

mana_khemia_gakuen_no_renkinjutsushi-tachi -> atelier_(series)

mana_khemia_ochita_gakuen_no_renkinjutsushi-tachi -> atelier_(series)

rorona_no_atelier_arland_no_renkinjutsushi -> atelier_(series)

totori_no_atelier_arland_no_renkinjutsushi_2 -> atelier_(series)

meruru_no_atelier_arland_no_renkinjutsushi_3 -> atelier_(series)

marie_elie_to_anis_no_atelier_soyokaze_kara_no_dengon -> atelier_(series)

lise_no_atelier_ordre_no_renkinjutsushi -> atelier_(series)

annie_no_atelier_sera-tou_no_renkinjutsushi -> atelier_(series)

lina_no_atelier_strahl_no_renkinjutsushi -> atelier_(series)

ayesha_no_atelier_tasogare_no_daichi_no_renkinjutsushi -> atelier_(series)

escha_to_logy_no_atelier_tasogare_no_sora_no_renkinjutsushi -> atelier_(series)

elkrone_no_atelier_dear_for_otomate -> atelier_(series)

I think I have them all. I didn't include the titles for the PSP ports, and I'm about to post some Atelier Elkrone pictures soon.

@jxh2154: Not sure why we're using the English names for...

2013-04-06T20:30:36-04:00

Not sure why we're using the English names for this.

But for now, did:
create alias atelier_escha_and_logy -> atelier_escha_&_logy

@Benit149: I've noticed that the Atelier copyright series...

2013-04-06T08:27:04-04:00

I've noticed that the Atelier copyright series are tagged using the English names rather than the Japanese ones, so Marie no Atelier, Elie no Atelier, Iris no Atelier, etc. are not used nor implicated/aliased here. So to suddenly use Escha to Logy no Atelier here would throw off the pattern of Atelier series tags.

Here's the official logo for the game.

As for Glasnost's note, the two characters' names plus the Japanese 'to' break down the term eschatology which sounds really dark considering this is part of a lighthearted series... But that's just me. Good catch, Glasnost.

@glasnost: 'Escha & Logy', in addition to being the...

2013-04-05T22:09:04-04:00

'Escha & Logy', in addition to being the official title, preserves the intended pun somewhat: 'and' is 'to' (と) in Japanese, so the correct pronunciation would be Escha to Logy.

@Benit149: Alias atelier_escha_&_logy ->...

2013-04-05T21:56:29-04:00

Alias atelier_escha_&_logy -> atelier_escha_and_logy or vice versa
Reason: The official title has the ampersand, so I'm not sure which to use. I'll just stick to the 'and' for this post.

Implicate atelier_escha_and_logy -> atelier_(series)
Reason: Latest game in the Atelier series just recently announced.