And remember folks, technique can prevail over pure power. It's nothing new. But be damn that Meiling didn't caught hell contending with two oni at the same time.
Dispatching both Suika and Yuugi (both are awesome) is the amazing thing here. How they hell did Meiling pull it off? I can clearly understand her besting them one-on-one but simultaneously... shiiiiiiiit~!
CaptainVulcan said: And remember folks, technique can prevail over pure power. It's nothing new. But be damn that Meiling didn't caught hell contending with two oni at the same time.
Dispatching both Suika and Yuugi (both are awesome) is the amazing thing here. How they hell did Meiling pull it off? I can clearly understand her besting them one-on-one but simultaneously... shiiiiiiiit~!
Ibuki and Hoshiguma wouldn't lose to Hong if they're together and not messing around (when the sake finally drops). I'll also use fan-art to explain my point.
Calm down. I never bashed the fanart and I didn't down vote anyone's comments or talk trash about Hong Meiling. I don't talk bad about any character. In fact, I love Hong Meiling. And I'd never say terrible things about her. I only said that she wouldn't win against both Suika and Yuugi, two Devas of the Mountain, alone. CaptainVulcan asked how Hong could manage such a feat and I explained that she could because it was fanart. Please don't get upset.
Fan choose what they want. If you want, Cirno is a genius, if you want, she is cute and think normally, or if you want, she is totaly stupid.
There is no 'truth' in gensokyo, this is why the fandom can create new thing, because they are free acess, no big limitation. It is just a point of view, so saying "She wouldn't win normally against..." is pointless and have no clue.
Yes, both Suika and Yuugi are orders of magnitude stronger than Meiling. However, speed and precision usually triumphs over brute strength, and you can't really call two drunkards precise. Or those two, even when they're sober.
The key point here is that everything and everyone, even the strongest juggernaut has weak points, which can be exploited to bring them down quickly. And the more power those oni pack into their punches, the more kinetic energy Mailing has to work with when setting up throws and redirections. Remember, if you can't block a punch due to sheer power, just make it work for you instead of the other guy (girl): redirect the punch, bring its kinetic energy into your own move, use it to throw the other or pull them into a punch of your own (now loaded with their energy too). Meiling is a trained martial artist in canon. Yuugi and Suika are not. The scales are now balanced, if not tipping in Meiling's favor.
ThunderBird said: Yes, both Suika and Yuugi are orders of magnitude stronger than Meiling. However, speed and precision usually triumphs over brute strength, and you can't really call two drunkards precise. Or those two, even when they're sober.
The key point here is that everything and everyone, even the strongest juggernaut has weak points, which can be exploited to bring them down quickly. And the more power those oni pack into their punches, the more kinetic energy Mailing has to work with when setting up throws and redirections. Remember, if you can't block a punch due to sheer power, just make it work for you instead of the other guy (girl): redirect the punch, bring its kinetic energy into your own move, use it to throw the other or pull them into a punch of your own (now loaded with their energy too). Meiling is a trained martial artist in canon. Yuugi and Suika are not. The scales are now balanced, if not tipping in Meiling's favor.
*cough*Mailing*cough*
This is gonna turn into a power levels discussion then? Here we go.
It's funny how you're trying to imply that Suika (the one who beat Reimu while drunk) and Yuugi (powers almost matching up to big hitters like Yukari and Remilia with her control over Supernatural Phenomenon) wouldn't have speed and precision, or would always apply brute force without any sort of thinking. Oni are wise, and Oni don't lie. (And have you ever seen Suika sober?) These two Oni have the experience and skills from fighting for over more than a few millenia. The scales were never balanced and Meiling, alone, never had the upperhand of winning against the combined might of these monsters, especially if their working seriously together against a single opponent. The only chance Meirin has is danmaku where everything is fair. Simple as that.
You know, if someone's skilled enough, one could, in theory, gain an advantage while outnumbered, especially if those numbers aren't particularly skilled or coordinated, by having them hit each other. Power levels get completely bypassed.
It's true Chinese kung fu can help Meiling to be OP. Don't forget Chinese kung fu such as Shaolin and Wudang (ZUN said Meiling practises Tai Chi Quan, so it's canon) have a lot of techniques to deal with youkai and demons (oni). In fact, if Meiling was a Wudang student and have the power which on the same level as Zhang San Feng, even fanon Flandre will lose.
On the other hand, the Oni is known for superior physically strength and low intelligence. However, we shouldn't assume all the oni are like that, especially the Devas like Suika and Yuugi. I wouldn't be surprised if they know some martial arts like Karate, wrestling or Oni art. Say, there were legends that many martial artist trained themselves with the Tengu, and the Tengu was kinda "friendly" with the Oni, so it's possible for the Oni to know martial art too.
I respect the artist as I have my own Touhouverse. But I must admit I can only have expectations of Meiling being on par with Yuugi, not Meiling beating both Suika and Yuugi without a sweat.
What are you talking about? Do you think this is a adventure game that even through bosses can almost instant kill your character but your character can still manage to defeat it by dodging systematic attack mode, doing hit and run, drinking health potion or find out a random weak spot by luck?
Worldend_Dominator said: He makes Meiling too OP over characters that are canonically overpower her (ex: Remmi and these two) without joking about it.
Except, in this guys doujin setting, Meiling is actually one of Yukari's peers/equals and simply plays at being weaker than the rest of EoSD cast for some unknown reason, so, at least in the fanon setting he's created, this makes sense.