Yup, seems to be. Apparently the other profile is a personification of the lust of the Youko/Inari, which then possesses a human girl, resulting in this.
There's a bit of an issue with the Zippangu girl's forwardness and the population's acceptance of them though.
Due to Zippangu's people accepting monsters before they became girls, when they transformed, the humans kept that relation while the monsters began wanting more. While the humans don't mind, and as individuals, these kinds of situations would be great. As a whole, it'd be bad for the Zippangu region because very few people would fight back.
Remember, monster girls only give birth to more monster girls. They can never give birth to males OR humans. So basically, within a few generations, the scales of population will definitly be tilted in one direction with little hope of it going back. The clock is against the Succubus Queen, if she doesn't figure out how to fix that problem then it will definitly create a shortage of men, more aggressive monster girls and civil feuds amongst her people.
finalagent said: There's a bit of an issue with the Zippangu girl's forwardness and the population's acceptance of them though.
Due to Zippangu's people accepting monsters before they became girls, when they transformed, the humans kept that relation while the monsters began wanting more. While the humans don't mind, and as individuals, these kinds of situations would be great. As a whole, it'd be bad for the Zippangu region because very few people would fight back.
Remember, monster girls only give birth to more monster girls. They can never give birth to males OR humans. So basically, within a few generations, the scales of population will definitly be tilted in one direction with little hope of it going back. The clock is against the Succubus Queen, if she doesn't figure out how to fix that problem then it will definitly create a shortage of men, more aggressive monster girls and civil feuds amongst her people.
DragonSolomon said: Yes!! someone else sees it coming.
Actually, this argument is quite common, going back to the time the Queen Slime was introduced, and especially being pushed forward when the Undine was introduced, since they polluted the whole region.
I've thought about it, and mentioned some solutions earlier on...
First, the easiest solution is, basically, for human-human families to simply have more babies. The modern type of family where we have only one, two, or maybe three children per family just did not exist until modern times, and often, thanks generally to high infant mortality and death in childbirth, people just had as many children as they were physically capable of rearing.
When the human population starts taking a hit, there will be more resources among a smaller population, and diseases will have a harder time spreading, and as such, that will help relieve some downward pressures on the population, and help it refill that vacuum, provided monstergirl poaching of humans is simply not too terrible an issue.
Second, not all of these monstergirls are mindless threats. Lamias already live with humans, and some creatures like the ants, harpies, or honeybees could be negotiated with to form a protective ring of monster-hunting monstergirls in exchange for the rights to have husbands. Provided, again, enough excess children are produced from the human-human relations, and not that many men are poached from human civilization, this alone could be enough.
Third, a restructuring of society could make a good degree of sense provided the situation became dire enough. Males are, traditionally, the more expendable gender in terms of population stress, thanks to both that a single male can get multiple women pregnant simultaneously while a woman can only be pregnant once at a time, and because historically, many women died in the act of childbirth, meaning many men who lived to their older age survived several wives.
In a world like MGE, however, it could make more sense to "protect the fragile men" who are necessary for reproduction and let the women, who are both less susceptible to many types of attacks and who are more expendable. If males for becoming husbands actually become scarce enough, human women and monster girls who are willing to live with and protect humans could form the core of society and its military/defensive arm, where higher-ranking or higher-class female citizens get the right to have husbands, and the rest have to scramble to climb up the ranks high enough to get a shot at a family.
Of course, it's worth noting that one of the other major reasons women historically did not usually fight in wars is that pregnancy is a tremendous handicap on the battlefield, and women in these ages who were married typically were getting pregnant quite frequently. It was only the unmarried who typically even had the capacity to go be soldiers.
Fourth, although it pains me to indulge in the sort of polygynous fetishism Astarte keeps posting on every-friggin-single-one of these MGE posts, if males are still poached heavily enough, lower-ranking women and monster girls might have to just start sharing. I'm sure the upper echelons would still want to keep their husbands all to themselves, but at the extremes, lower-class women might be given pregnancy quotas, and access to brothels full of men specifically there for the mating...
Fifth, the monster girls completely take over, and human society collapses. Unless the succubi or mindless monstergirls take over completely, the monstergirl types that are sentient would have to take the drastic step of "human ranching" human females and males to just keep enough of a breeding population around for them to have some husbands to reproduce with, themselves.
Your solution kinda seems based off the idea of turning humans into cattle...I mean, that's great for the monster girl society. But as a human, I'd probably be more than a little offended by the sentiment. Besides, you forget that women would be just as precious as the males in that they still are the only ones who can create human males.
Besides, while there are monster girls who CAN be rational (more so than the irrational ones), they all share the trait in that they can lose their reason if they don't 'feed' enough. That and a lot of them seem to be quite possessive, sure the demon lord could say "I want you all to share! We're having a shortage!" but would they accept that? I'd think that'd be grounds for the lower class monster girls to go nuts and either try and take the males by force from neighbors. It'd be a case of who has and who doesn't have a male to themselves.
Sure, a Giant Mouse group could share one guy just fine, since they don't really care. But those who don't have that one guy will want him, either competing Giant Mice (maybe even his children, MGs probably grow faster too) or entirely other Monster Girls.
What do you think? I still kinda doubt a strategy like that would really work without a whole lot arm forcing from the Demon Lord and even then, it'd be just a pinprick away from exploding.
Also, of note, while Monster Girls can turn men into Incubi, I thiiiink that there was a bit of an issue with them. They can have sex easily enough and live longer but I thought I heard that they weren't as tasty or something or another. I can't remember the exact problem with them. Also, no, they can't have Incubi as children. They can only create more Monster Girls (<< To Astarte) as Incubi are just corrupted Males, not monsters (at least, until they genderswap...)
The different steps to that were listed in order of severity, as in, "use only as many as you absolutely need".
As for the females being just as precious as the males, remember that if you are going to have monster girls and human women both marrying human men, then, assuming a 50/50 split between human women and monster girls getting married for convenience sake, you would need at least two men to be born to every human woman for one of those men to go to a human woman marriage, and one to go to a monstergirl marriage. That means that probability says that in that same time, two human women will be born (meaning, we are talking about each human woman giving birth to four children who survive to adulthood in her lifetime just to maintain the population at this ratio), meaning that there will be one human man to be marriageable to every two human women. Hence, you have half of all human women not getting married for lack of men. (This, of course, still assuming the even human/monstergirl split in marriages and strictly monogamous marriages.)
Hence, you have "expendable women" of about half the population for strictly population replacement purposes. That half can be the stock from which the military is drafted in a still-mostly-human society, while the males are considered still less expendable.
At the same time, if the monstergirls are procreating at the same rate (and given their descriptions, they should reproduce faster than the human women), you're getting 4 monstergirls while only having one human male to marry them to given this same arbitrary split and four children to every marriage model. This means that while half the human woman population can potentially be put at risk to defend their society, three quarters of those monstergirls are in the same situation.
Hence, the most logical solution in a society that allows in a significant portion of sentient monstergirls so as to bolster their combat strength to ward off the non-sentient monstergirls would be to send out armies of monstergirls and human women that can whittle down the populations of both sides a little until a stable ratio of men to women and monstergirls can be obtained.
With that said, the whole "even number of human women and monstergirls" thing is, again, arbitrary, and just for the purposes of illustrating the model. A two-thirds human women to one-thirds monstergirl ratio would result in a need for only three children per human woman for replacement purposes, for example. That would mean that two human women can be monogamously married, one is expendable, and two thirds of the monster girls are expendable. The ratios of who gets to get married and who doesn't get better the higher the ratio of human women to monster girls.
Yes, there are species of monster girls that are non-monogamous by choice, but let's face it, a single dragon (who definitely doesn't like sharing her "most precious treasure" and as such is strictly monogamous, is more intelligent, has reason to want to protect humanity as a whole, and can be easily bribed with tribute if all else fails) is probably worth many thousands of large mice.
Quantity may be a better solution than quality - using an elite force of vampires, dragons, inari, and echidna to back up a primarily human military may be more efficient than just breeding and unleashing hoards of orcs. Echidna may be a bit of a special case, though, as her children may be either a huge help or liability, depending on what her actual offspring might be.
However, I think the likes of dragons, inari, and shirohebi will just never share, no matter what. The same with even sucubi that have found their man to turn into an incubus. You could do it with the hoard-types, like goblins, oni, orcs, large mice, honeybees, and so on, and you might be able to convince humans, lizardwomen, mantises, harpy-types and with a bit of a diplomatic feat amazonesses to go for polygamy, but many of the lamia and mermaid types, for example, are strictly monogamous. Even then, how fecund are those goblins or orcs or other hoard types? Sure, you can satisfy 20 orcs with one man, but then in the next generation, there might be 200 of them...
astarte952 said: maybe monstergirls who normaly not share man with a woman will do it when the human couple say to her: we both like/love and find you sexully desirable. will you live with us together?
Ask yourself if you'd be cool with it if your girlfriend suddenly came up and said she was sexually attracted to other men, and wanted you to become bisexual so they could have an open marriage, and she could get off on her yaoi fetish.
Maybe some people might say "yes" to that, but odds are severely against it.
When the monstergirl descriptions say they are even less open to the idea of cheating or polygamy than humans are, that means the odds are so low they aren't really worth talking about.
Right, but a lot of this assumes a 'best case' scenario of things. While my theory is more of a 'bad case' than a 'worst case' scenario. It also forgets one crucial thing, that some monster girl species grow up REALLY fast.
So, compare how a pure male/female human combo reproduces to another male/monstergirl combo reproduces. For each human produced by the male/female, the monstergirl combo can likely produce minimum twice that number, since humans tend to be one of the slowest races to do the whole 'birthing' process.
Now, couple that with accelerated aging! For example, Slimes, they simply clone themselves, there's no 'aging' or anything, they're just ready to go. While female and males take at minimum, 12 to 14 years before they are within even striking distance of using their bodies for making more humans.
So, let's say a human/female couple makes a baby every year for 12 years...enough time (arguably, but we're gonna go with the earliest scenario) for their first child to be ready for action...now he goes over to the monstergirl/male couple's house to meet their children annnnd...well, depending on the race he's still easily going to be outnumbered around 5 to 1, and that's being pessimistic about how quickly monster girls reach maturity and how horny the monster girl mother in question happened to be.
finalagent said: Right, but a lot of this assumes a 'best case' scenario...
If you are going to talk about quick the gestation rates and how small generational gaps are, however, what you're really only doing is going for a totally unsustainable "zerg rush" approach.
What I was talking about with the post you are responding to is long-term sustainability. If it takes only a single dragon to defend an entire city, alongside human guards or a few other minor monster girls that do not make up a significant portion of the population, then human society changes as little as possible with the limited influx of monster girls, and you have the most ideal solution.
After all, it only takes chucking that dragon one guy to be her husband, and if it takes 100 years for her children to reach sexual maturity and demand husbands of their own, then the many tens of thousands of humans living under the protection of a single dragon are pretty much unaffected entirely with the exception of the one dragon-pacifying husband.
Compare this to hoard of large mice or orcs or goblins that rely entirely upon numbers. One "husband" can only get passed around between so many "wives", and if they are all fecund AND have a short gestation rate and quickly reach sexual maturity, then you have a population that explodes like rabbits with no natural enemies, much like what they have in Australia.
It would be mandatory to somehow keep the population low for simple ecological sustainability purposes. That would mean that if you couldn't manage to throw their lives away fighting other monster girls, you'd have to find some new war to throw their lives away on, or find some new means of controlling their population. (And now I am reminding myself of the Krogan from Mass Effect...)
A queen slime (or possibly the ant or bee girls) might be a special case, what with their having a hive mind that allows for centralized control. A queen slime might divide off its shock troopers with a period of concentrated orgy time to increase the number of semi-independent slime units it can send into the fray, and then hold itself back while focusing upon balancing its long-term sustainability in peace time by "ranching" the humans (male and female) and developing food and population stockpiles or focusing upon its own ecological infrastructure. (I wonder if a large enough slime can become autotrophic?) This, however, requires a centralized command that is intelligent enough to fully overcome its own mating instincts and short-term desires and growth to maintain its own long-term sustainability. Something like that may be too much to ask of a slime, even a queen slime.
Well this all goes back to my original point though, and what you're saying basically agrees with me. The Zippangu region cannot sustain itself as it currently is.
Basically, wether it be the Dragon girl from your example or the humans from the non Zippangu region. Someone has to fight off the monster girls to keep the human race going. Zippangu doesn't do this, the girls aren't rape happy, they're just generally nice folk, like anyone else, but they're also a quick way down the population toilet.
So in summary, keeping the monster girls from getting TOO friendly is the best solution in all cases.
Actually, Zipangu does probably fight off monstergirls, it's just that there are some that they consider "not really a threat" and let stick around. A Youko they chase off, an Inari can stay.
It also all comes down to how well monster girls adapt - lamia are already welcome in human cities even in non-Zipangu regions just because they can control themselves and mingle with humans without much incident. Dragons that get the royal treatment, tribute, and a husband all in exchange for keeping the baddies away are probably going to be able to get along just fine with humans in the long term.
Crow Tengu are probably less of a threat to Zippangu, but Nureonago is a much larger threat, as is possibly the Kappa, Nekomata, and possibly some of the sentient object creature populations, and people will probably not be too friendly towards the Jurogumo if they are exposed. Ushi-Oni and Youko are pretty much kill-on-sight to begin with.
What makes the Zippangu region different, generally speaking, is that the monstergirls there are already fairly intelligent, and probably capable of being negotiated with to keep population levels relatively stable to begin with.
Of course, historically speaking, if Zippangu is based upon Japan, then there already was a culture that embraced the notion of concubinage to begin with in Zippangu. The notion of having a monstergirl wife and a human woman concubine (or vice-versa) would probably be a much easier sell in that nation, so I'm sure Astarte would be happier with that. It just would definitely not work on the Shirohebi and almost certainly not work on the Ryu and Inari and the like that probably take up their husband's entire day all by themselves.
Just wanted to point out that if the demon lord has her way then the issue of only birthing monster girls will be a non-issue. Settings information translated from the artist's works states that if she gains enough power then the demon lord will be able to completely overcome the old settings that currently prevent monsters from birthing humans and monsters will then be able to birth male incubi.
Course that still means human women who don't want to be monster girls lose out.
Perentie said: Just wanted to point out that if the demon lord has her way then the issue of only birthing monster girls will be a non-issue. Settings information translated from the artist's works states that if she gains enough power then the demon lord will be able to completely overcome the old settings that currently prevent monsters from birthing humans and monsters will then be able to birth male incubi.
Course that still means human women who don't want to be monster girls lose out.
Out of curiosity P, where exactly did you find that source that she could override the "no-sons" dilemma? Did you find it in the MGE book itself or the Fallen Maidens one? Thanks.
ghoang said: Out of curiosity P, where exactly did you find that source that she could override the "no-sons" dilemma? Did you find it in the MGE book itself or the Fallen Maidens one? Thanks.
As I understand it, overriding that problem is part of her goal, but not something she's already capable of.
*entire debate passing at light speed above my head* oh hey, look! it's Ahri from League of Legends!
•Demonic-human Family •Demonic-human TypeA human female that has been possessed by a Kitsunebi and become a monster. Their consciousness and memory remain that of the human female, and they do not change in appearance, but the lust of the Kitsune dwells in them, taking over the woman's body and soul and making her as lustful and charming as Kitsunes themselves.○Habitat......Human Settlements
○Disposition...Lustful, Varied
○Diet.........The same as humans, souls of human males