Opening this thread after a discussion in topic #12858 because it seems it deserves its own thread.
The wiki for sailor collar currently states "For clothing with a sailor-style collar which are neither a school uniform nor a sailor uniform."
Not only is this ignored by everyone (Post count for sailor_collar school_uniform : 16056, and in the last month 464 out of 1706, ie a little over 1/4rd of last month's serafuku uploads), it's also a restriction that makes impossible to search for serafuku with a certain collar color (for example, to search for astolfo wearing a serafuku with a different collar color than pink).
It's not possible in these cases to use black serafuku and the like as that only denotes the color of the clothing fabric, not of the sailor collar.
My proposal is to remove that clause from the serafuku tag, as it's
- unintuitive: people are just going to keep using it because it falls under "tag what you see", and because they don't really expect a random tag like that to have a clause. This also makes trying to garden it and keep it in check an impossible job which keeps the tag in a permanent limbo;
- restrictive: for the reasons stated above - namely it makes it impossible to search for colored collars in serafuku;
- arbitrary: because if there's a fear of sailor_collar becoming useless if added to serafuku, then how come nobody ever mentions sailor dress? Should that be excluded too? We also have sailor shirt. What about sailor bikini or sailor_one-piece_swimsuit, which implicate it? Even after cleaning up the tag from serafuku and keeping it clean, there's another myriad of sailor_variants that already pollute the tag and make it impossible to have a useful search, unless one goes for sailor_collar detached_collar or another similar specific search. Should sailor_collar become a tag for sailor-collared clothings that don't have their own specific tag instead?
Other suggestions I've seen are:
- make new colored tags strictly for school uniform sailor collars, something like black-collared serafuku, which is a suggestion I don't really agree with as it's never going to work for what I said above. People see a sailor collar, they're going to tag a sailor collar if the tag exists, for the same reason we have tons of eyebrows and eyes in posts where the tag doesn't belong (see topic #14889 for discussion on the matter). I'd still prefer this to the current state of the sailor collar tag, however.
- nuke the serafuku tag which is an option I really don't know what to think about, so I'll leave the arguing over it to others.
Opinions?
Also pinging @NWF_Renim and @BrokenEagle98 because of the discussion in the other thread.